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Author Topic:   Why is Israel getting away with these atrocities?
Buzsaw
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Message 15 of 301 (329701)
07-07-2006 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by nwr
07-07-2006 8:45 PM


1. Jihad parties are not American kind of organizations. When Jihadish terrorist organizations run the nation, the government is accountable. Dissention from jihadism is forbidden.
2. Teeny Israel surrounded by nations promoting it's demise is not the US surrounded by water and friendly nations. Israel MUST keep on the offensive and on top of every terrorist act or they all die. It's life or death for these people.

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Buzsaw
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Message 17 of 301 (329714)
07-07-2006 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by MangyTiger
07-07-2006 9:30 PM


The US has nukes too. That didn't save the twin towers nor would it have saved the capitol had the 4th plane made it to it's target. Cowardly Jihadist terrorists who set out to kill all the innocent citizens they can fear no nukes.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 40 of 301 (329912)
07-08-2006 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by RAZD
07-08-2006 4:55 PM


Re: The palestinians are carrying out ... resistance?
Razd, what you and so many are not understanding is that by and large the oppression and terrorism perpetrated on the Palestinians and for that matter of all totalitarian Islamic states, like communism, comes from their own governments and in their case, the clergy. They are under an oppressive despotic tyranny equally as bad if not worse than communism to the extent that to convert out of it is a capitol crime. You're in it for life. You opt out, you die or somehow escape. You either support Jihad or you get persecuted or killed. From preschool through high school hatred of the infidel, the West and Israel are indoctrinated into you.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 41 of 301 (329916)
07-08-2006 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by RAZD
07-08-2006 5:14 PM


Re: The palestinians are carrying out ... resistance?
The problem is that treaty is not in the vocabulary of an invisible militant religious multifaceted army of ununiformed multitudes indoctrinated from early childhood, eager to die in the commited drive for world (abe: conquest).
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 50 of 301 (330260)
07-10-2006 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by RAZD
07-10-2006 7:37 AM


Re: The palestinians are carrying out ... resistance?
Razd writes:
Where is the nation of terrorism to attack? Where is the army to defeat?
The NATIONS are Islamic fundamentalist nations committed to the destruction of Israel, the free West and ultimately the planet.
Their armies to defeat are the ununiformed slithering shadowy and cowardly highly organized guerilla forces including heads of state, mosque imams, and the hoards of trained soldiers in civilian clothes, barracked in homes, caves, businesses and mosques, et al, armed with finances, weapons and explosives by their leaders, both secular and clerical in and out of government, seeking each and every opportunity to strike men women and children wherever the next vulnerable opportunity arises so as to destroy the maximum amount of property and life possible of all who are not of their persuasion and not supportive of their goal of ultimate global conquest.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 53 of 301 (330275)
07-10-2006 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by RickJB
07-10-2006 8:28 AM


Rick writes:
when one has a God but lacks jets, tanks and rockets it might seem like a "rational" way to fight back - clearly it isn't, no argument.
Of course, Israel's jets, tanks and rockets could do a whole lot more than what they do. They could do to the Palestinians supportive of the Jihadists what the Palestinians WISH to do to Israel, i.e. anhilate them, but they don't. They only act after the Jihadists strike them, so if the Palestinian government and religious leaders would stop indoctrinating Jihadists from kindegarten on up to be terrorists and cease from encouraging and supporting terrorism, the killing would stop from both directions, with the jets, tanks and rockets parked in their warehouses and hangers.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 63 of 301 (330625)
07-10-2006 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by nwr
07-10-2006 12:59 PM


Re: The Energizer Bunny Topic...
nwr writes:
This is where the fundy contingent demonstrate that their faith is not in God. Rather, they are beholden to modern right wing cultic leaders who are feeding them this crap.
What specifically are you alluding to which indicates to you that fundamentalists don't have faith in God? I assume you're referring to Biblical fundamentalists. I suggest that after this you make it clear as to what you are referring to.
nwr writes:
Whatever happened to matt 5:44 "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"
What has that got to do with the fundamentals we fundamentalists have posted about the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 64 of 301 (330627)
07-10-2006 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by RAZD
07-10-2006 8:10 PM


Re: Smoke and Mirrors and Propaganda?
Razd writes:
What is your evidence? There are lots of muslim countries that are not anti-american (although fewer now than before the Botch Administration (invasion\crusade}. There are lots of moderate muslims that do not advocate {war\jihad} as the solution.
Do we go by the countries of birth of the terrorists? How is that necessarily valid? Where they were educated (some in the US?)?
1. I didn't say all Muslim countries are anti-American. We all know the ones that are.
2. I didn't say all Muslims advocate war/Jihad. Don't put words in my mouth. I was alluding to the Palestinians, Iran and a few others who indoctrinate hatred in their schools, et al.
3. When we get one of our cities poisoned or nuked, maybe then you'll wake up and smell the Jihad army's coffee.

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Buzsaw
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Message 78 of 301 (330752)
07-11-2006 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by arachnophilia
07-10-2006 10:36 PM


Re: Smoke and Mirrors and Propaganda?
1. Palestine is for all practical purposes a nation and in fact the most aggressively troublesome neighbor to Israel.
2. If war were to break out as in 1967, not one of Israel's neighbors would support Israel and all including Palestine and Jordan would be allied against Israel.
3. In past wars, Russia and Turkey have been supportive to the Arab aggressors, Russia supplying their planes and tanks, et al.
4. Bottom line: You have one teeny nation surrounded by hostile neighbors, in some cases 2 or three deep. North Africa is all pretty much hostile to Israel.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Improve wording

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 108 of 301 (330962)
07-11-2006 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by jar
07-11-2006 10:18 AM


Re: Smoke and Mirrors and Propaganda?
jar writes:
And your evidence for that is?
The daily new
War with ????????
Anyone.
What is your evidence that Jordan would be allied against Israel?
History, i.e. 1967 war.
3. In past wars, Russia and Turkey have been supportive to the Arab aggressors, Russia supplying their planes and tanks, et al.
And your point is? When was Turkey a supporter of Arab Aggressors? Point? Go figure. Turkey = 1967 war.
And your point is? Go figure. It is my point.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 109 of 301 (330963)
07-11-2006 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by NosyNed
07-11-2006 3:59 PM


Re: A new Israel?
NN writes:
smart friend of mine made what sounded like a nutsy suggestion last week:
Take the huge!!! amount of money (ignoring lives) that it is taking to support and defend Israel and use it to buy land elsewhere; perhaps half of Arizona or somesuch. Then just up and leave.
As she says: "Don't love something that can't love you back." Stone and soil can't love you back so give it up to stop the killing of children on both sides.
My reaction was to almost laugh but then I tried to think of what Plan B was if this isn't it. It seems all that anyone comes up with is more killing.
Our defense of Israel is cheap in light of the value of having an ally in such a strategic location.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 136 of 301 (331362)
07-13-2006 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by jar
07-11-2006 10:15 PM


Re: Smoke and Mirrors and Propaganda?
jar writes:
And so your evidence for Jordan threatening Israel is based on 1967 and ignores the treaties with Jordan since then? Yeah, right. LOL
LOL on the treaty:
link writes:
Jordan is Violating its Treaty With Israel:
In violation of the Jordan-Israel peace treaty, Jordan has not had a full ambassador in Israel since 2000. Also in violation of the treaty, anti-Jewish incitement continues in the Jordanian government media. For example, Jordan Television Channel 1 broadcast a sermon by Sheikh Jamal Shakir from the King Abdullah Mosque in Amman, in which he said: “O Allah, destroy your enemies, the Jewish and Crusader enemies of Islam.” On November 28, 2003, Jordan Television Channel 1 broadcast a sermon by Sheikh Muhammad Khayr al-Isa from the King Abdullah Mosque in Amman, in which he said: “O Allah, support mujahidin [jihad fighters] everywhere. O Allah, have mercy on our kinfolk in Palestine. O Allah, strengthen them in their homeland. O Allah, help them defeat their enemy.” On September 12, 2003, Jordan Television Channel 1 broadcast a sermon by Sheikh Muhammad al-Ghul from the King Abdullah Mosque in Amman, in which he said: “O Allah, deal with the Jews for they are within Your Power. O Allah, deal with Your enemies everywhere for they are within Your Power. O Allah, make their plots destroy them. O Allah, support the mujahidin [jihad fighters] everywhere, in Palestine and every land where Your name is mentioned.” (Translations courtesy of FBIS.
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jar writes:
And again you look at 1967? And claim that Turkey was one of the Nations involved in the Six day War? Are you sure of that or is that just another of your assertions? You do know that in 1967 Turkey was a US ally don't you?
I stand corrected on Turkey in 1967, though the Israeli-Turkey relations is somewhat shakey now.
link writes:
Soner Cagaptay of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy commented recently. ``The groundwork of the Turkish-Israeli relationship as it stands in Turkey is eroding. It's too early to be alarmist, but I would say that the relationship is under a serious challenge.'' "What once was a marriage of love has become a marriage of convenience," said Dr Anat Lapidot-Furilla, a research fellow at Hebrew University’s Truman Institute in Jerusalem. "It is obvious that the 'strategic alliance' is in a period of erosion," commented Turkish columnist Erdal Guven in Radikal.
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jar writes:
Don't you know that both Egypt and Jordan have peace treaties with Israel, that both regularly shut down protests against Israel or the US, that Jordan and Israel are involved in many joint projects including a Dead Sea Canal, that Jordan has cooperated with Israel in eliminating Palistinian threats on the West Bank, that Jordan expelled Hamas from their borders and on and on, or do you know all that and just ignore it?
Egypt has condemned Israel's invasion of Gasa and other actions. I would guess that in event of war between Israel and any Arab country today, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey support would all be with the Arab country.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 139 of 301 (331635)
07-13-2006 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by jar
07-13-2006 9:49 AM


Re: War with????
jar writes:
Through all of this you still fail to mention who it might be that would go to war with Israel. Instead, we get some silly hypothetical of a war between Israel and any Arab Country.
Which Arab Country Buz?
LEBANON, OF COURSE for a starter, then it's anyone's guess who'll jump in next.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 141 of 301 (331638)
07-13-2006 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by jar
07-13-2006 9:49 AM


Re: War with????
jar writes:
So does the US. Most every nation condemns the invasion of Gaza. So by your logic the US will be on the side of the Arab Nations.
I'm aware of that. We were discussing Egypt, my point being that this might be the end or place a strain on the Israeli-Egypt treaty. The US and other nations are not the topic of our discussion.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 142 of 301 (331641)
07-13-2006 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by jar
07-13-2006 9:46 PM


Re: War with????
jar writes:
Lebanon? Good lord Buz, are you for real? What will we call it, the Six Second War?
Lebanon is responsible for this war by aiding and abbeting terrorism. What we call it may depend on when it ends, maybe more of The War On Terror. It's just begun, so far as Lebanon goes.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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