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Topic: Why is Israel getting away with these atrocities?
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Smoke and Mirrors and Propaganda?
In addition they have treaties with Lebanon and Syria.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 79 of 301 (330784)
07-11-2006 10:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 78 by Buzsaw
07-11-2006 8:33 AM
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Re: Smoke and Mirrors and Propaganda?
1. Palestine is for all practical purposes a nation and in fact the most aggressively troublesome neighbor to Israel. And your evidence for that is?
2. If war were to break out as in 1967, not one of Israel's neighbors would support Israel and all including Palestine and Jordan would be allied against Israel. War with ???????? What is your evidence that Jordan would be allied against Israel?
3. In past wars, Russia and Turkey have been supportive to the Arab aggressors, Russia supplying their planes and tanks, et al. And your point is? When was Turkey a supporter of Arab Aggressors?
4. Bottom line: You have one teeny nation surrounded by hostile neighbors, in some cases 2 or three deep. North Africa is all pretty much hostile to Israel. And your point is?
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 82 of 301 (330855)
07-11-2006 2:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
07-11-2006 2:49 PM
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You keep making such allegations.
They are commanded by the god of Islam, who has supposedly given the Muslims a revelation that transcends the Bible, to treat Israel, the Jews, and Christians as well, as inferiors who should not be allowed to have any status whatever alongside a Muslim, and should be killed if they are not controllable. Can you provide in context quotes from the Qur'an that support that allegation? I think you have been asked to provide them in the past, but so far I have not seen any such support from you. If you have already provided them simply post the links to the specific messages.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 88 of 301 (330872)
07-11-2006 3:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
07-07-2006 5:19 AM
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Does Israel have a right to exist?
The real question under all of this is the question of whether Israel has a right to exist as a Nation and whether Palestine likewise has a right to exist as a Nation? These are tough questions, but they really go to the heart of the issue. What is the legal choice? What is the moral choice?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 93 of 301 (330901)
07-11-2006 5:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 92 by Faith
07-11-2006 5:06 PM
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Re: You keep making such allegations.
From the Qur'an Faith, not from propaganda sites. Hell I could find things like that in ten seconds. LOL From the Qur'an Faith, in context.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 96 of 301 (330908)
07-11-2006 5:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
07-11-2006 5:26 PM
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Re: ISLAM IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE TERRORISM
Read the "War Verses" in context Faith. We have certainly published them here often enough. Please show the verses from the Qur'an in context Faith.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: You keep making such allegations.
There are several such online that we all seem to use regularly, one in particular gives several versions of each verse. Let's see if Faith ever gets even the English translations posted to support her assertions. But the thread is not really about Islam even though Faith loves to try to take it there. I'd like to see it move back towards the topic and the questions I asked back in Message 88.
The real question under all of this is the question of whether Israel has a right to exist as a Nation and whether Palestine likewise has a right to exist as a Nation? These are tough questions, but they really go to the heart of the issue. What is the legal choice? What is the moral choice?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 101 of 301 (330934)
07-11-2006 7:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
07-11-2006 7:02 PM
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Re: You keep making such allegations.
That's nice Faith, but does it have anything to do with the subject?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 110 of 301 (330966)
07-11-2006 10:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 108 by Buzsaw
07-11-2006 9:55 PM
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Re: Smoke and Mirrors and Propaganda?
You must read some strange news sources. LOL. IIRC there is a Palestine Authority but no Nation of Palestine or internationally recognized borders. The question who would they go to war with. "Anyone" as an answer is, well, silly. And so your evidence for Jordan threatening Israel is based on 1967 and ignores the treaties with Jordan since then? Yeah, right. LOL And again you look at 1967? And claim that Turkey was one of the Nations involved in the Six day War? Are you sure of that or is that just another of your assertions? You do know that in 1967 Turkey was a US ally don't you? Do you just make these things up on the fly? AbE: Don't you know that both Egypt and Jordan have peace treaties with Israel, that both regularly shut down protests against Israel or the US, that Jordan and Israel are involved in many joint projects including a Dead Sea Canal, that Jordan has cooperated with Israel in eliminating Palistinian threats on the West Bank, that Jordan expelled Hamas from their borders and on and on, or do you know all that and just ignore it? Edited by jar, : add comment.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 116 of 301 (330998)
07-12-2006 12:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
07-12-2006 12:31 AM
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Re: You keep making such allegations.
A Palestinian state has been offered and offered and offered and they have refused. They've even pretty much said it's because they don't want Israel to exist at all. How do you determine the legalities and moralities when one of the parties will simply not compromise because they want the other party dead? Or perhaps they would like the land that was promised to them returned. Afterall, Great Britain promised the same hunk of land to the Arabs, the Jews and the International Community. Which one of those mutually exclusive commitments has the most legal support? The issue of establishing a Palestinian nation will come down to borders, and there, Israel has been like the British. They have yet to do anything concrete (excluding of course the concrete walls and barriers they build) and have not moved the settelers off the land that supposedly the Israelis plan on giving to Palestine. You are familar I am sure with the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence, are you not?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 137 of 301 (331428)
07-13-2006 9:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 136 by Buzsaw
07-13-2006 1:26 AM
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War with????
Egypt has condemned Israel's invasion of Gasa and other actions. I would guess that in event of war between Israel and any Arab country today, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey support would all be with the Arab country. So does the US. Most every nation condemns the invasion of Gaza. So by your logic the US will be on the side of the Arab Nations. What you have posted so far is a news story from a zionist source that claims a treaty violation yet cannot produce even one creadible example (read the translations of the alleged broadcasts and see if you can point out the threats), one evaluation from one group on Israel-Turkey relations where you quote one small section that says things are deteriorating yet fail to quote what the primaries parties from the same article say:
Israel’s deputy Prime Minister Ehud Olmert visited Ankara in mid July to mend deteriorating relations between the two countries. Before returning home he said "I was reassured of the continuity and stability of relations. " Through all of this you still fail to mention who it might be that would go to war with Israel. Instead, we get some silly hypothetical of a war between Israel and any Arab Country. Which Arab Country Buz?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 140 of 301 (331636)
07-13-2006 9:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 139 by Buzsaw
07-13-2006 9:43 PM
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Re: War with????
LEBANON, OF COURSE for a starter, then it's anyone's guess who'll jump in next. Surely you jest Buz. LOL Lebanon? Good lord Buz, are you for real? What will we call it, the Six Second War?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 143 of 301 (331642)
07-13-2006 10:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 141 by Buzsaw
07-13-2006 9:49 PM
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Re: War with????
I'm aware of that. We were discussing Egypt, my point being that this might be the end or place a strain on the Israeli-Egypt treaty. The US and other nations are not the topic of our discussion. Then why did YOU bring in nations like the US, Russia and Turkey? Sure it will place a strain on Israel, and hopefully make them begin to start acting like a Nation instead of the neighborhood bully. But it would also hdelp if the US put more pressure on Israel and sided with the others for awhile. Only Israel can decide the fate of that region. It's time that they started to live up to a few of the commitments they have made. they need to tell all the settlers that are living in what will become Palestrine that it is time for them to sign up for Palestinian citizenship or packup and get out. It's time for Israel to get serious about establishing borders and then show they are going to live up to it by either moving or dissavowing those who are beyond those borders.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 144 of 301 (331645)
07-13-2006 10:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 142 by Buzsaw
07-13-2006 10:01 PM
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Re: War with????
Sorry Buz but what exactly is the evidence that Lebanon is responsible for any of it? Lebanon the Nation has been pretty much non-existent since Israel pretty much dismantled it.
Lebanon is responsible for this war by aiding and abbeting terrorism. Again, what war Buz?
What we call it may depend on when it ends, maybe more of The War On Terror. I guess old jokes never do die.
It's just begun, so far as Lebanon goes. Are you kidding? Buz, Lebabon was the Venice of the Middle East, one of the richest most wonderful places in the Middle east, a center of education and culture until the infection that is Israel raged through the area. You are of course familar with the Christian Massacre of Palestinian civilains in Lebanon under the direct guard and support of the Israel Army?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: War with????
This is just Deja Vu all over again. Israel will do whatever they want in Lebanon, Hezbollah which is a direct creation of the last time Israel invaded Lebanon will do what they always do, fade into the general population to pop up and attack at will, Lebanon will suffer even more, Israel will get pushed into doing things that will lose them even more support and the only winners will be Iran that orchestrated the attacks and timed them to take the worlds eyes off Iran turning down the UNs latest deadline. It was a magnificent ploy by Iran and everyone is dancing to their tune.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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