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RAZD
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Message 37 of 301 (329907)
07-08-2006 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by CanadianSteve
07-08-2006 4:20 PM


Re: The palestinians are carrying out ... resistance?
Hey steve,
Israel is only responding to war.
I have to disagree to some extent. What you say about the Palestinians is true enough not to dispute, but this is also fueled and inflamed by Isreals overreactions. Isreal is also part of the problem.
Terrorist acts per se are not the tactics of war, but the tactics of politics, used by a portion of the population that has been disenfranchised and oppressed. There is no army of terrorists, and even if all the terrorists were captured or killed there would be new ones to take their place so long as the disenfranchisement and oppression continues.
The indescriminant bombing of civilian areas with no regard for who is killed is also another kind of terrorism -- oppression by terror. All it does is contribute to continued terrorism from the other side.
The current policy is one that Isreal has followed for 50 some odd years now, and it has not shown any success. There comes a point when you need to ask certain questions:
(1) What do you really want?
(2) What are you willing to do to achieve that?
(3) Is it working?
(4) Do you want to try something else?
If it is NOT working then it IS time to try something else.
The US had an opportunity to do {something else} in Afghanistan before the Botch Administration blew it by invading Iraq. Now it looks like the only "plan" they have is to repeat all the mistakes of Isreal in dealing with the issue with the net result that we now have three countries in political chaos\turmoil instead of one.
Want to end terrorism? Then end the causes of people turning to terrorism. When terrorists can no longer recruit new candidates the end of terrorism will eventually (within a lifetime) happen.
Look at the difference between England's reaction to "7/7" and the US (Botch Administration) to "9/11" -- not only was there no over-reaction (let's go invade a country that has nothing to do with the issue) but they are now working to de-fuse future occurances by working within the communities.
When did the terrorist actions of the IRA end?
It seems to me that England should be the model for dealing with terrorism rather than Isreal.
But that's just my opinion eh?
Edited by RAZD, : added "enough"
Edited by RAZD, : typo

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Message 39 of 301 (329910)
07-08-2006 5:14 PM
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07-08-2006 5:01 PM


Re: The palestinians are carrying out ... resistance?
I repeat -- what brought the IRA terrorism (fully funded and supplied by Irish in the US and other "outside countries" btw) to an end?

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Message 49 of 301 (330257)
07-10-2006 7:37 AM
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07-08-2006 8:40 PM


Re: The palestinians are carrying out ... resistance?
N Ireland was not at war with etc .... yada yada
You didn't answer the question. What ended the terrorism of the IRA?
Or are you claiming they are not terrorists because they yada yada?
Better analogy: What brought Nazi Germany down?
Conquest of their nation and defeat of their army.
Where is the nation of terrorism to attack? Where is the army to defeat?
Better analogy? No, because it fails at the critical point to be adaptable to ending terrorism: if you can't even attack terrorism the way Germany was defeated the analogy is useless.
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Message 62 of 301 (330614)
07-10-2006 8:10 PM
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07-10-2006 8:01 AM


Smoke and Mirrors and Propaganda?
The NATIONS are Islamic fundamentalist nations committed to the destruction of Israel, the free West and ultimately the planet.
I think you've been buying some shinola from the local huckster, Buzz.
What is your evidence? There are lots of muslim countries that are not anti-american (although fewer now than before the Botch Administration (invasion\crusade}. There are lots of moderate muslims that do not advocate {war\jihad} as the solution.
Do we go by the countries of birth of the terrorists? How is that necessarily valid? Where they were educated (some in the US?)?
Their armies to defeat are the ununiformed slithering shadowy and cowardly highly organized guerilla forces ...
So they don't have an army capable of invading Isreal, to say nothing of the USof(N)A ... so why should anyone be worried about them?
As noted the 9/11 deaths -- the largest terrorist attack to date (excluding military terrorism) -- amounts to less than the deaths due to autos in one month ... accidents that are more likely to affect you or me personally than another such attack.
The more we pay attention to them, and actually actively advertise their successes, the more we encourage more of the same.
The ONLY way to end terrorism is to deal with the issues that cause people to become terrorists and work to disable the causes.
The ONLY way to deal with terrorists is to treat them as criminals - murderers and extortionists - and work towards world wide police action to bring them individually to justice
Should I be worried about a nuclear attack? Only if the terrorists are so empowered by the media attention, enlarged by the recruitment efforts of Botch and Isreal, that they do become a real threat.
Why is Osama still a threat? Because the approach of the Botch administration has given him more than it has taken away - it is a failed policy.
Calling it a war on terrorism doesn't make it a war, it just wastes resources going in the wrong direction -- resources that include as many deaths of US soldiers as US citizens who died in the towers, plus THOUSANDS more injured and rendered permanently disabled.
Botches "war on terror" has done more damage to the US than the terrorists did, while not accomplishing anything to stop terrorism - there's actually MORE terrorism involving US victims since the Iraq invasion than before.
THAT's a success ratio to be proud of, eh?
But, yeah, it's all those shadowy Imams and a vast muslim conspiracy that's at fault. Riiiight.
Enjoy.
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RAZD
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Message 107 of 301 (330960)
07-11-2006 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Buzsaw
07-10-2006 9:04 PM


Re: Smoke and Mirrors and Propaganda?
When we get one of our cities poisoned or nuked, maybe then you'll wake up and smell the Jihad army's coffee
And if we keep attacking them and contributing to the PROBLEM that will happen.
But it will be as much the fault of faulty US policy as anything else.

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