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Author Topic:   Why is Israel getting away with these atrocities?
Buzsaw
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Message 136 of 301 (331362)
07-13-2006 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by jar
07-11-2006 10:15 PM


Re: Smoke and Mirrors and Propaganda?
jar writes:
And so your evidence for Jordan threatening Israel is based on 1967 and ignores the treaties with Jordan since then? Yeah, right. LOL
LOL on the treaty:
link writes:
Jordan is Violating its Treaty With Israel:
In violation of the Jordan-Israel peace treaty, Jordan has not had a full ambassador in Israel since 2000. Also in violation of the treaty, anti-Jewish incitement continues in the Jordanian government media. For example, Jordan Television Channel 1 broadcast a sermon by Sheikh Jamal Shakir from the King Abdullah Mosque in Amman, in which he said: “O Allah, destroy your enemies, the Jewish and Crusader enemies of Islam.” On November 28, 2003, Jordan Television Channel 1 broadcast a sermon by Sheikh Muhammad Khayr al-Isa from the King Abdullah Mosque in Amman, in which he said: “O Allah, support mujahidin [jihad fighters] everywhere. O Allah, have mercy on our kinfolk in Palestine. O Allah, strengthen them in their homeland. O Allah, help them defeat their enemy.” On September 12, 2003, Jordan Television Channel 1 broadcast a sermon by Sheikh Muhammad al-Ghul from the King Abdullah Mosque in Amman, in which he said: “O Allah, deal with the Jews for they are within Your Power. O Allah, deal with Your enemies everywhere for they are within Your Power. O Allah, make their plots destroy them. O Allah, support the mujahidin [jihad fighters] everywhere, in Palestine and every land where Your name is mentioned.” (Translations courtesy of FBIS.
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jar writes:
And again you look at 1967? And claim that Turkey was one of the Nations involved in the Six day War? Are you sure of that or is that just another of your assertions? You do know that in 1967 Turkey was a US ally don't you?
I stand corrected on Turkey in 1967, though the Israeli-Turkey relations is somewhat shakey now.
link writes:
Soner Cagaptay of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy commented recently. ``The groundwork of the Turkish-Israeli relationship as it stands in Turkey is eroding. It's too early to be alarmist, but I would say that the relationship is under a serious challenge.'' "What once was a marriage of love has become a marriage of convenience," said Dr Anat Lapidot-Furilla, a research fellow at Hebrew University’s Truman Institute in Jerusalem. "It is obvious that the 'strategic alliance' is in a period of erosion," commented Turkish columnist Erdal Guven in Radikal.
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jar writes:
Don't you know that both Egypt and Jordan have peace treaties with Israel, that both regularly shut down protests against Israel or the US, that Jordan and Israel are involved in many joint projects including a Dead Sea Canal, that Jordan has cooperated with Israel in eliminating Palistinian threats on the West Bank, that Jordan expelled Hamas from their borders and on and on, or do you know all that and just ignore it?
Egypt has condemned Israel's invasion of Gasa and other actions. I would guess that in event of war between Israel and any Arab country today, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey support would all be with the Arab country.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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jar
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Message 137 of 301 (331428)
07-13-2006 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Buzsaw
07-13-2006 1:26 AM


War with????
Egypt has condemned Israel's invasion of Gasa and other actions. I would guess that in event of war between Israel and any Arab country today, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey support would all be with the Arab country.
So does the US. Most every nation condemns the invasion of Gaza. So by your logic the US will be on the side of the Arab Nations.
What you have posted so far is a news story from a zionist source that claims a treaty violation yet cannot produce even one creadible example (read the translations of the alleged broadcasts and see if you can point out the threats), one evaluation from one group on Israel-Turkey relations where you quote one small section that says things are deteriorating yet fail to quote what the primaries parties from the same article say:
Israel’s deputy Prime Minister Ehud Olmert visited Ankara in mid July to mend deteriorating relations between the two countries. Before returning home he said "I was reassured of the continuity and stability of relations. "
Through all of this you still fail to mention who it might be that would go to war with Israel. Instead, we get some silly hypothetical of a war between Israel and any Arab Country.
Which Arab Country Buz?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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nwr
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Message 138 of 301 (331442)
07-13-2006 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Buzsaw
07-10-2006 8:54 PM


Re: The Energizer Bunny Topic...
What specifically are you alluding to which indicates to you that fundamentalists don't have faith in God?
They regurgitate propaganda that is handed down to them by their leaders, without even bothering to check the facts. They say things that are very unchristian. See Message 38 for some examples of the latter.

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Buzsaw
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Message 139 of 301 (331635)
07-13-2006 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by jar
07-13-2006 9:49 AM


Re: War with????
jar writes:
Through all of this you still fail to mention who it might be that would go to war with Israel. Instead, we get some silly hypothetical of a war between Israel and any Arab Country.
Which Arab Country Buz?
LEBANON, OF COURSE for a starter, then it's anyone's guess who'll jump in next.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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jar
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Message 140 of 301 (331636)
07-13-2006 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Buzsaw
07-13-2006 9:43 PM


Re: War with????
LEBANON, OF COURSE for a starter, then it's anyone's guess who'll jump in next.
Surely you jest Buz. LOL
Lebanon? Good lord Buz, are you for real? What will we call it, the Six Second War?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Buzsaw
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Message 141 of 301 (331638)
07-13-2006 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by jar
07-13-2006 9:49 AM


Re: War with????
jar writes:
So does the US. Most every nation condemns the invasion of Gaza. So by your logic the US will be on the side of the Arab Nations.
I'm aware of that. We were discussing Egypt, my point being that this might be the end or place a strain on the Israeli-Egypt treaty. The US and other nations are not the topic of our discussion.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 142 of 301 (331641)
07-13-2006 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by jar
07-13-2006 9:46 PM


Re: War with????
jar writes:
Lebanon? Good lord Buz, are you for real? What will we call it, the Six Second War?
Lebanon is responsible for this war by aiding and abbeting terrorism. What we call it may depend on when it ends, maybe more of The War On Terror. It's just begun, so far as Lebanon goes.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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jar
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Message 143 of 301 (331642)
07-13-2006 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Buzsaw
07-13-2006 9:49 PM


Re: War with????
I'm aware of that. We were discussing Egypt, my point being that this might be the end or place a strain on the Israeli-Egypt treaty. The US and other nations are not the topic of our discussion.
Then why did YOU bring in nations like the US, Russia and Turkey?
Sure it will place a strain on Israel, and hopefully make them begin to start acting like a Nation instead of the neighborhood bully. But it would also hdelp if the US put more pressure on Israel and sided with the others for awhile.
Only Israel can decide the fate of that region. It's time that they started to live up to a few of the commitments they have made. they need to tell all the settlers that are living in what will become Palestrine that it is time for them to sign up for Palestinian citizenship or packup and get out. It's time for Israel to get serious about establishing borders and then show they are going to live up to it by either moving or dissavowing those who are beyond those borders.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 144 of 301 (331645)
07-13-2006 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Buzsaw
07-13-2006 10:01 PM


Re: War with????
Sorry Buz but what exactly is the evidence that Lebanon is responsible for any of it? Lebanon the Nation has been pretty much non-existent since Israel pretty much dismantled it.
Lebanon is responsible for this war by aiding and abbeting terrorism.
Again, what war Buz?
What we call it may depend on when it ends, maybe more of The War On Terror.
I guess old jokes never do die.
It's just begun, so far as Lebanon goes.
Are you kidding? Buz, Lebabon was the Venice of the Middle East, one of the richest most wonderful places in the Middle east, a center of education and culture until the infection that is Israel raged through the area. You are of course familar with the Christian Massacre of Palestinian civilains in Lebanon under the direct guard and support of the Israel Army?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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MangyTiger
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Message 145 of 301 (331653)
07-13-2006 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by jar
07-13-2006 9:46 PM


Re: War with????
What will we call it, the Six Second War?
If what's happening wasn't so serious that would be a very funny line.
I pointed out to Buz a day or two back that Israel held all the aces in any conventional military conflict - I didn't expect to be proven right so soon.
I have a depressing feeling we could call it the 'Carries on until Israel decides to stop because it's not going to get what it wants' War.

Oops! Wrong Planet

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jar
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Message 146 of 301 (331655)
07-13-2006 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by MangyTiger
07-13-2006 10:43 PM


Re: War with????
This is just Deja Vu all over again.
Israel will do whatever they want in Lebanon, Hezbollah which is a direct creation of the last time Israel invaded Lebanon will do what they always do, fade into the general population to pop up and attack at will, Lebanon will suffer even more, Israel will get pushed into doing things that will lose them even more support and the only winners will be Iran that orchestrated the attacks and timed them to take the worlds eyes off Iran turning down the UNs latest deadline.
It was a magnificent ploy by Iran and everyone is dancing to their tune.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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MangyTiger
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Message 147 of 301 (331658)
07-13-2006 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by jar
07-13-2006 10:51 PM


Re: War with????
Pretty much sums it up.
The trouble is I don't see any realistic solution to either the short or long term problems.

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Phat
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Message 148 of 301 (331676)
07-14-2006 5:02 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by jar
07-13-2006 10:51 PM


Re: War with????
Im willing to bet that Israel will destroy Irans nuclear sites and that the U.S. will turn a blind eye from it.
Right or wrong, Israel will always make the first move...to them, its a matter of survival.
WWIII may be our next topic.
Edited by Phat, : spelling

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arachnophilia
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Message 149 of 301 (331821)
07-14-2006 7:08 PM
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07-14-2006 5:02 AM


Re: War with????
Im willing to bet that Israel will destroy Irans nuclear sites and that the U.S. will turn a blind eye from it.
i'll see your "blind eye" and raise you a "the us will support it"
Right or wrong, Israel will always make the first move...to them, its a matter of survival.
as a question for those a little more in touch with reality than the "all arabs must die" fundies, do you feel this is right? or wrong? or justified?
it might well be, actually.
WWIII may be our next topic.
i'm a little worried too, yeah.


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Chiroptera
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Message 150 of 301 (331822)
07-14-2006 7:11 PM
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07-14-2006 7:08 PM


Re: War with????
quote:
WWIII may be our next topic.
i'm a little worried too, yeah.
Oh, man! And we are going to be stuck with a lot of confused and angry fundamentalists when Jesus doesn't come to collect them in the big space ark, too!

"These monkeys are at once the ugliest and the most beautiful creatures on the planet./ And the monkeys don't want to be monkeys; they want to be something else./ But they're not."
-- Ernie Cline

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