Points on abortion and the crutch of supporters

Having been intimately involved with the "abortion industry" for a time (I worked at PP for a while, and my wife did for several years, in the education department), I find the notion of using abortion as birth control idiotic. But then, those who do so are a tiny, tiny minority. Most of those getting abortions got them for financial or psychological reasons. Many were married women, accompanied by their husbands. Not a few were actually anti-abortion protesters - after all, their situations were "different"...Abortion - that is, control of the local population - has always been a part of human life, along with infanticide. It is a necessity, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.I understand the objections ot abortion. Some are logical and valid, many are not. I cannot fathom, for example the position that once conception has taken place, the birth must occur, as is the position of the more extreme anti-abortion corwd, even if the fetus is severely deformed. And I know this not only from reading their materials and hearing them speak, but fror 'personal' experience. A neighbor of mine's sister-in-law was pregnant. Anti-abortion. An ultrasound detected acrania and myeloschisis - absence of a skull and an open neural tube. A fatal condition. Rather than abort, these good little Christians rode out the pregnany, knowing that the fetus would die a slow, painful death if it survived the birth. Survive it did. A whole 3 hours or so. Struggling to breath, completely unresponsive (how could it respond? it had only a brainstem), it finally died.But at least it was born...I suggest doing a Google Images search for "Harlequin fetus."And I challenge the anti-abortionists to logically justify not terminating such a fetus - regardless of gestational age - upon diagnosis.

Not at all - I am not advocating 'forcing' anyone to have an abortion. Rather, I think a rational person would choose abortion as the most humane way to deal with certain conditions.As for the financial reasons, yes, I am saying the ability to support the child. People seem to get their supposed 'right' to have as many children as they want is tempered by their obligation to support them. I recall during the Bush I/Clinton campaign that a gntleman complained to Bush that he was having trouble paying for his 8 children because his taxes were too high. He was a laborer (Catholic). If Bus had had any balls, he would have told the guy that taxes were not his problem.. But I digress.
Yes, this is, after all, a capitalist society, and it takes money to raise a child. The usual retort is 'what about adoption'? Yes, what about it. There are unwanted children still waiting for the goody-goody pro-lifers to adopt them. Seems that many people do not want to adopt. They would rather defy nature and force themselves chemically and surgically to have children.Psychological factors - do you think the typical 13-18 year old is ready to raise a child? My wife and I both work in education, dealing with this very age range (and older). And I can say that with rare exception, people of this age range have trouble getting their homework done, much less caring for an infant (of course, we are talking about young women here, as for some reason, we do not hold the father accountable). I just see no reason to force motherhood on all women because not doing so makes a particular group of religious adherents feel all special.

Hi Jackal,

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Well I can see where there are a lot of kids still waiting to get adopted, but they are older children and not new born babies. So your comment on waiting for the pro-lifers to adopt a child is not accurate. I personally know a family who had to wait for 8 years to adopt a child, because they were unable to have there own child.

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As Schraf has indicated, much of the 'waiting' has to do with the 'specific requirements' of the adopters. They only want white, healthy babies with certain features (haiur/eye color. etc.) What does the age have to do with anything? Why do you think there are older kids up for adoption on the first place?

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On the psychological factors, when you say they are not even able to get there hw done, so since they got pregnant its not really there fault, if you are trying to say this I can agree because young kids just arent educated enough.

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I am not saying that it is not their fault at all. Obviously, unless the girl was raped, the fault in part lies with her. Of course, the boy involved probably bears themost 'fault', as boys can be very coercive and forceful when it comes to sex. But yes, most teenagers (hell, many adults!) are not prepared psychologically to care for an infant. "Forcing" them to do so will be bad for all involved.

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I just think that letting them have an abortion is just giving them a get out of jail free card.

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Yes, better to punish them by forcing them to have the child. better to 'punish' the infant by forcing it to live life with a parent that didn't want it.

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Im just wondering how many cases there are of young kids who have an abortion and then get pregnant again. Im sure you have experience and can educate me on that.

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Probably quite a few. Many just don't learn. Many are involved in relationships wherein the male is against contraception but insistent on having sex. There are lots of factors involved.