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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Before I attempt to answer your question, I have a few of my own (for you)
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Point taken.
In my opinion, Conservatives became more conservative. (some argue that liberals became less moderate and more extreme as well. It has been said that liberals define their own words, even while telling me I can't have my own definitions...which is fair, I suppose. We have discussed authoritarianism before. FDR(Democrat) seizes the publics gold, pays them the official value($20.00 an oz)then raises the price to $35.00 once the government had control of it. Nixon(Republican) decoupled gold and the dollar, (established at Bretton Woods in 1944) Ford(Republican) reestablished the right for the public to own gold. These days you have ignorant people claiming that the dollar determines the value of gold.This despite the fact that the government(Fed) "quintupled the money supply" after Covid. Whom do we blame? Which party? Which "expert"? And why are they experts again?
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: Also, you should be aware that the British Conservatives of the past were not the raving lunatic scum-sucking "conservatives" in your Republican Party today. Apart from Trump and populism, what specifically is bad about the Republican Party of today?
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Lets pretend that you are the teacher. The subject is economics and political ideology.
Assign me a couple of books that I wont like. Give me some work to do. (although keeping up with the unified peanut gallery can be exhausting! And since this topic is about Ray Dalio and his theories, I'm still puzzled why he is not an expert. He has 17 billion dollars in personal wealth, so I doubt he is selling the book to make money. He gives his information away for free, for crying out loud! Why critique him for founding a successful Hedge Fund? Is it not the job of a Hedge Fund manager to try and spot and analyze trends and to predict where the economy will go next? So you guys cant criticize him for being wealthy.
List Of US Presidents by net worth (in 2022 dollars) And I would argue that he is far from ignorant regarding economics.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
phat writes:
We have discussed authoritarianism before.ringo writes: I thought i used the Dictionary! Well, to be fair I will look up a few more sources.
Not much of a discussion. You call me authoritarian without knowing what it means.Oxford writes:
the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom."he warned against the intrusion of authoritarianism in various countries" lack of concern for the wishes or opinions of others. "in his authoritarianism he has displayed disrespect for the culture he works in" I don't care what you think about gold. Well I don't care what you think of macaroni either. How do you like them apples? And if the government seized your macaroni, you might then learn what I see authoritarianism as. What if they seized your stored up box of macaroni, offered you 25 cents for it, then raised the official price of macaroni to $1.00?
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I knew that.. I expect some will try it again.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
When you get their opinions back, please quote them. I dont care about their names or party affiliation. I trust you. If you respect an "expert" I will listen to that "expert".
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theodoric writes: Commonweal? I assume you mean commonwealth. So what is commonwealth?
The purpose of government is not to protect personal wealth. It is to support the commonweal.Oxford Languages writes: Commonwealth: an independent country or community, especially a democratic republic. so are we a Democracy or a Republic? As a moderate, I'd say both.
1. an aggregate or grouping of countries or other bodies."a union or commonwealth of democratic, self-governing countries" a community or organization of shared interests in a nonpolitical field. "the Christian commonwealth" a self-governing unit voluntarily grouped with the US, such as Puerto Rico. "the island became a commonwealth of the United States in 1986" a formal title of some of the states of the US, especially Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. the title of the federated Australian states. the republican period of government in Britain between the execution of Charles I in 1649 and the Restoration of Charles II in 1660. singular proper noun: Commonwealth 2. an international association consisting of the UK together with states that were previously part of the British Empire, and dependencies. The British monarch is the symbolic head of the Commonwealth. 3) (archaic)-the general good. Imagine a global commonwealth. In my mind, this would equate to a One World Government. At this point in time, I can see no way that such a concept would hold together. After all, if we here in the US have partisan political bickering, how on earth would the added complexities of global governance ever survive in unity?( From now on, I will address the Literalist "dogma" of an Antichrist keeping our secular discussion in mind)This discussion is mos def *not* about religious dogma or any actual or hypothetical "antichrists" but I will say that if such a character ever sprung up, he would never be a conservative like Trump. He likely would spring from the bowels of the CCP. Anyway, getting back to my main point. If in fact a commonwealth can equate to a common interest, I would argue that the purpose of said government is to protect common interest. It only makes sense that a common trait of a common interest is to protect individual wealth as well as community "wealth". Right? (unless you are a far left Marxist ) Edited by Phat, : spelling
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: I need a bi-partisan government. I need a two-party system. I don't "need" one collective of "we". Why? Because *we* often disagree. I wont simply have a gang of"we" telling me what I must do, in the name of ...well take your pick: What more do you need?in the name of humanity. (that's a laugh!) In the name of Jesus. In the name of Mono-secularism. ((see? I just invented that word... I think. : ) We can discuss this rabbit trail more at Message 191 Edited by Phat, : added link
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: I'm not. Im supporting individualism at *your* expense. When are you going to stop supporting slavery the rich at your own expense? I'm in internet school this morning before I take a nap and go to work. I started thinking about the word that sprung up in my head...namely monosecularism.This led me to Wiki and to this: Slavic Native Faith's identity and political philosophy Note the following quotes from the article wiki: I will spout propaganda from both sides. You only spout it from one side.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
rigo writes: Only if I also get to learn what Capitalism is.
Stop spouting far-right propaganda and learn what Marxism is. The "common good" is not served by individual wealth. Tell that to Henry Ford. His company, Ford Motor Company, helped win World War II.
Individual wealth subtracts from community wealth. Its a good thing that *we* didn't take Henry's individual wealth and give it to FDR. He did it himself voluntarily. And likely earned a small profit making tanks...or at least broke even. Individual Wealth is good. Don't believe everything you hear.
Your beloved "offshore system" streals from the community wealth in favor of individual wealth. You seem to believe the idea that there *should* be no individual wealth. And then you have the gall to trot out Jesus to support your warped far left Marxist views. Am I wrong?
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: That's what the antichrist will do. He will argue that since Jesus never existed, *we* must all be moral individuals and we *must* support the collective (One World Government) I AM an individual, you moron. How can you support me against myself? According to the Bible, He is the bad guy. ringo writes: Feel free to point to any propaganda that I have spouted. This whole idea that there is (or should be) no individual wealth and that we would be noble and honorable people if we supported the collective.(The commonwealth). It sounds good in theory but were such a government authoritarian and dictatorial (out of necessity, of course. ) we would have problems.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: Interesting. What would you call it? Moderate?
Nothing I have said is remotely far-left or Marxist.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: OK. Explain to me how *we* could have achieved and implemented a common good that benefited Americans, Japanese, Germans and Russians all at the same time.
World War II ITSELF was not for the common good. There would not have BEEN a World War II if the common good was the goal.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
And I might add that a useful rabbit trail would be to discuss individualism vs Collectivism.
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