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Author Topic:   The War in Europe
Theodoric
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Message 871 of 884 (895732)
07-16-2022 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 869 by Tangle
07-15-2022 6:38 PM


Re: The War Drags On
Wonder how well his gut did with his gold and crypto purchases. They can't even be called investments.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ringo
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Message 872 of 884 (895733)
07-16-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 867 by Phat
07-15-2022 3:31 PM


Re: The War Drags On
Phat writes:
It would be the equivalent of Canada seeking to join BRIC. The US would NOT put up with it.
What would you do about it?
Phat writes:
I think you are driven by politics over substance.
So you still don't own a mirror.
Phat writes:
I end up finding information that is swept under the rug...
Or lies that your right-wing handlers want you to think have been swept under the rug.
Phat writes:
... and ignored by mainstream economic (Federal) information.
What is "Federal information"? Is it something like "German physics"? Or does it just mean you don't like governments in general?
Phat writes:
The problem is, I cant get anyone here to actually watch the explanation....
The problem is that you can't explain the "explanation" in your own words which suggests that you don't actually understand it. And that suggests that it doesn't make any sense in the first place.
Phat writes:
I challenge you on what you really "know".
Right back atcha - and you always refuse to accept the challenge.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Tanypteryx
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Message 873 of 884 (895734)
07-16-2022 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 867 by Phat
07-15-2022 3:31 PM


Re: The War Drags On
Phat writes:
It would be the equivalent of Canada seeking to join BRIC. The US would NOT put up with it.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Our main venue, BRIC House, offers a public media center, a major contemporary art exhibition space, two performance spaces, a glass-walled TV studio, and artist work spaces.
I guess you mean like how we didn't put up with Cuba becoming a communist country and being a puppet of the Soviet Union for 50+ years. Is there anything you are not completely ignorant about?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Percy
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Message 874 of 884 (895750)
07-18-2022 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 867 by Phat
07-15-2022 3:31 PM


Re: The War Drags On
You didn't answer my response to your lie, and you didn't respond the previous time you uttered this lie, so this deserves another response. Here's what you did:
Phat (Message 417)"I listen to Peter Schiff, whom Percy has already judged solely on the fact that Irwin Schiff was his father."
Percy (Message 434)Explains why this isn't true
PhatNo answer, but then later repeats the same exact lie in Message 867:
"As an example, you totally vilified Peter Schiff simply because Irwin was his Father."
Percy (Message 868)States that this is still a lie and refers Phat back to Message 434.
PhatNo answer
How long before you repeat this lie again? What is the matter with you? Do you want that you're a lying little shit to be your legacy here?
--Percy

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nwr
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Message 875 of 884 (895751)
07-18-2022 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 874 by Percy
07-18-2022 8:07 AM


Re: The War Drags On
It is near hopeless.
Phat constructs he reality out of right wing talking points. And he carries that around with smart phone. Worse still, it is in video, so it seems much more real to Phat than actual reality.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Phat
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Message 876 of 884 (895769)
07-19-2022 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 874 by Percy
07-18-2022 8:07 AM


Re: The War Drags On
Percy writes:
You didn't answer my response to your lie, and you didn't respond the previous time you uttered this lie, so this deserves another response.
Fair enough. I can now see through careful re-reading that you were right. You vilified Schiff because you saw him as a uniformed fraud who merely tried to plug the gold that he was selling. It is clear, however, that you never listened to any of his shows. He was in fact right quite often.
Look at his latest show, for example. He understands the global macro-economy much better than Janet Yellin or Jerome Powell.
And it confirms what I suspected. The US Dollar is now the global hedge against inflation everywhere outside the US. The dollar has tried to replace Gold ever since Nixon separated the two.
TRANSCRIPT
Transcript
The video is actually audio and mirrors the transcript.
It can be found here: A Tale Of Two Dollars
I've listened to the show and can answer any question about the transcript.
I'm not saying the guy is right about everything but he is far from a rube.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Percy
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Message 877 of 884 (895772)
07-19-2022 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 876 by Phat
07-19-2022 8:50 AM


Re: The War Drags On
Thank you for finding the correct information that was there all along.
As far as discussing Schiff, this is the wrong thread. This thread's about the war in Ukraine. In addition, you've proved yourself impervious to evidence, reason and logic, even about your own health, so there's little point in engaging in discussion with you. And if history is any guide, that you've posted nothing about your health recently (unless I missed it) means your diabetes is worsening. The absence of constructive reasoning, for instance again arguing favorably about a gold standard as if everybody and his mother hasn't corrected you dozens of times about it, is consistent with this suspicion.
Understand (unlikely, I know), that it isn't that you advocate for a return to the gold standard that's the problem. It's that you're unable to engage with any of the counterarguments that have been presented to you. Your replies tend to take the general form of, "No, you're wrong about the gold standard, watch this video," or just to pull random unsupported and wild claims out of the video. And you're a real sucker for shyster's claims of how accurate and prescient all their predictions have been.
It is your responsibility to watch the videos and then distill the arguments down for us here. We're not here to debate with a video. And, "But Schiff says..." is the beginning of the worst type of argument ever. Schiff is not Jesus (and Jesus wasn't real, but that's yet another topic). You're using the fallacy of argument from authority, over and over. You have as much evidence for the value of gold as an investment or as a means of exchange as the "Stop the Steal" people do of widespread voter fraud: none.
Didn't mean to get into this. Any replies should be taken to the proper thread.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 878 of 884 (895774)
07-19-2022 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 877 by Percy
07-19-2022 9:45 AM


Re: The War Drags On
Although Economics is being fought as a global conflict already, I will defer to your better judgment.
The topic has been relocated. Message 39

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Percy
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Message 879 of 884 (896755)
08-19-2022 9:25 AM


The Ukrainian Nuclear Plant at Zaporizhzhya
This has been in the news a lot lately with both sides accusing the others of lobbing artillery shells near the plant and risking nuclear disaster. In the meantime the plant is still being run by Ukrainian technicians under Russian control. The plant fell to the Russians early in the war.
Apparently fearing that nuclear disaster might affect his country, Turkey's president Erdogan just yesterday expressed support for Ukraine and concern about shelling at the plant (Fearing 'Another Chernobyl,' Turkey Throws Support Behind Ukraine). I'm not sure how great Turkey's exposure is - that country is hundreds of miles to the south.
The regions that should be most concerned lie to the east, which looking at a map would be anywhere near the plant, perhaps within a hundred mile radius. But also very concerned should be the Luhantz and Donetsk regions of Ukraine that Russia is attempting to acquire, as well as districts and oblasts of Russia like Rostov, Volgograd, Kalmykia, Yashaltinsky, Stavropol, Krasnodar, and other districts, as well as a significant portion of Siberia. And then there are countries that should have a high degree of concern, like Kazakstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia and China. Why all these regions and countries aren't putting pressure on Russia to safely secure this nuclear power plant is beyond me. Or if they are then they must be doing so via very quiet backchannels.
--Percy

  
Tangle
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Message 880 of 884 (898177)
09-20-2022 4:01 AM


The Ukrainians have been making significant progress in recent days and Russia looks increasingly weakened. I just heard a UK general saying that there's a real chance of Ukraine actually winning this war - not this year though, we're heading into winter.
His opinion though is that in order to get long term protection Ukraine needs to be accepted as members of NATO. I wonder if the West is prepared to go that far.
Looks like I'm going to lose my bet with Percy about Sweden and Norway joining NATO by the end of summer though. It's all gone very quiet on that front.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
AZPaul3
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Message 881 of 884 (898224)
09-20-2022 8:59 PM


Donbas
A trap is being rather publicly set in plain view. The Donbas referenda.
Both provinces will, of course, vote (100%) to join with Russia. The Kremlin will consider them as Russian territory. Any Ukrainian push to reclaim it’s Donbas territories will be considered in the Kremlin as hostile Nazi Ukraine invading Holy Mother Russia. Full mobilization, already underway as we have seen, will be the response.
This thing is going to drag out longer and bloodier than it should.
Putin needs to be … retired. In all of Russian history there were only a couple way to retire a Czar. A blade or a bullet. It is well past time for Putin to go.

Edited by AZPaul3, .


Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 882 of 884 (898227)
09-20-2022 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 881 by AZPaul3
09-20-2022 8:59 PM


Re: Donbas
In all of Russian history there were only a couple way to retire a Czar. A blade or a bullet. It is well past time for Putin to go.
Poison is Putin's weapon of choice...

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tangle
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Message 883 of 884 (898228)
09-21-2022 7:37 AM


Putin's talking about nuclear weapons now and calling up 300,000 civilians - he's getting desperate.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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PaulK
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Message 884 of 884 (898229)
09-21-2022 7:48 AM
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09-21-2022 7:37 AM


And he’s calling up reservists. Hopefully that will increase opposition in Russia.

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