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ringo
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Message 235 of 995 (892487)
03-08-2022 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by LamarkNewAge
03-07-2022 9:24 PM


Re: South Africa has as many people as the UK.
LamrkNewAge writes:
You can pretend you dislike the Tsars....
It's not a pretense.
LamarkNewAge writes:
... you can pretend you dislike Nazis....
It's not a pretense.
LamarkNewAge writes:
I suppose the African National Congress is "Tsarist"....
And what does that have to do with "The War in Europe"?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 236 of 995 (892488)
03-08-2022 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Phat
03-08-2022 6:39 AM


Re: LNA Unplugged?
Phat writes:
... I think that Putin sees the future better than the clowns at the Federal Reserve and global finance in general.
I see Putin as a gangster, an opportunist. It isn't about "seeing the future" at all. It's about tailoring the future to suit himself.
Wishfull thinking, maybe: The other Russian gangsters will dislike how Putin's war is effecting their crimes and will do away with him.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 238 of 995 (892490)
03-08-2022 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by LamarkNewAge
03-08-2022 11:23 AM


Re: South Africa has as many people as the UK.
LamrkNewAge writes:
Theodoric... blah blah blah... consciousness.
I asked you what any of that has to do with "The War in Europe". Just answer the question. No stupid ranting required.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 350 of 995 (892896)
03-17-2022 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 346 by Phat
03-17-2022 11:20 AM


Re: Two Poignant Videos
Phat writes:
Trump is itching to become a Western Leader again.
I doubt that. He likes the attention but he doesn't like people constantly wanting him to do things.
Phat writes:
And you guys dont think I am sane when I see either a secular armageddon or a sacred armageddon.
Well, you never tell us why these things might happen - i.e. you have no rationale for your fears. Try to think rationally.
Phat writes:
Only God can help us.
But that has never been His plan. Noah had to build his own ark.
Phat writes:
... I fear that Putin wont stop.
I think he's itching to find a way out of the mess he's created. He can't show weakness because the other gangsters will stomp him but he can't "win" this war either, not in any real sense.
My guess is that he'll pull the same trick as Trump and say, "Well, I accomplished what I wanted to do," (built a wall, made America great again, stopped the Nazis in Ukraine) and try to quietly fade away.
(I'm waiting to see what monster raving looney our Canadian Conservative party chooses for its leader-of-the month. So far, it looks like a "race" between a Trump wannabe, a has-been and at least one never-was.)

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 431 of 995 (892990)
03-21-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 378 by LamarkNewAge
03-19-2022 9:53 PM


Re: Wash Post: White supremacists - worldwide - traveling to join Ukrainian forces
LamarkNewAge writes:
The subject is Ukraine's military, which very deliberately attacks civilians, and hates minorities.
Well, the Washington Post headline was:
quote:
Neo-Nazis are exploiting Russia’s war in Ukraine for their own purposes
Nothing about "Ukraine's military".
And the article says:
quote:
The would-be militants have been recruited by groups like the Azov Battalion, a far-right nationalist Ukrainian paramilitary and political movement.
PARAmilitary. Nothing to do with "Ukraine's military".

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 432 of 995 (892991)
03-21-2022 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by Phat
03-20-2022 9:56 AM


Re: Nuke the Ukes!
Phat writes:
Do you humanist optimists see any better solutions?
Stop it. Most of us are NOT optimists. We just see human solutions as the only solutions there are.
Phat writes:
Isn't it you guys who like mandatory resolutions if they save the planet?
No.
In fact, mandatory solutions won't work because governments are afraid to rock the electoral boat.
As always, our salvation is up to us, individually.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 433 of 995 (892992)
03-21-2022 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by Phat
03-20-2022 10:16 AM


Re: Jars Insults
Phat writes:
You best stop insulting me and challenging my intelligence. It is against Forum guidelines.
As far as I know, the guidelines don't forbid telling a fat man that he's fat or a bald man that he's bald.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 484 of 995 (893089)
03-26-2022 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 478 by Phat
03-25-2022 4:04 PM


Re: Phats Two Cents
Phat writes:
I am convinced now that the primary reason for Putins land grab into Ukraine is the following:
1) Ukraine found evidence of large oil and natural gas reserves within their territory. The former president, Petro Poroshenko, was pro Russian.
2)Zelinski sided more with the West and Putin could not risk losing the warm water port and the additional Natural Gas reserves (and oil).
As a general rule, it's cheaper to trade than to fight a war. Isn't Putin likely to lose more oil/gas sales due to sanctions than he could possibly gain from Ukraine?
You could argue that he's irrational but then why would you suggest rational reasons for what he does?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 511 of 995 (893139)
03-28-2022 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 495 by Phat
03-27-2022 9:15 AM


Re: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
Phat writes:
Think long-range, ringo.
That's what I'm doing. It's the warmongers who are thinking short-range.
Phat writes:
Think next 30 years.
Oh, thaaaat's what you call "long-range"? That's conceivably within my lifetime. I was thinking a couple of generations beyond that, say a hundred years.
Phat writes:
Oil and gas will become rare and expensive.
Yeah, they've been saying that for sixty years.
But that isn't the problem. The problem is that we need to use less of it. So who knows how using less and having less will balance out?
Phat writes:
Let us go to a Marxist source!
Why?
Phat writes:
I figured you would like the propaganda from the comrades!
Stop it. I have TOLD you more than once that I am NOT a Marxist.
YOU are more of a Marxist than I am. YOU are the one who talks about "class struggle".
Phat writes:
Why must they pick on the US?
Did you read my post at all? I didn't say one word about the U.S.
Here's the entire post:
quote:
As a general rule, it's cheaper to trade than to fight a war. Isn't Putin likely to lose more oil/gas sales due to sanctions than he could possibly gain from Ukraine?
You could argue that he's irrational but then why would you suggest rational reasons for what he does?
Respond to the post, not to the fantasies in your head.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 520 of 995 (893150)
03-29-2022 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 517 by Phat
03-28-2022 10:11 PM


Re: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
Phat writes:
Just don't get idealistic and imagine a one-world-government.
I never have. Do you read my posts at all? Seriously, take notes if you have to but stop attributing to me what you pull out of your ass.
Phat writes:
It won't work if the *U.S.* doesn't have a primary say and veto power within it.
Don't be silly. The U.S. will never have veto power over anything.
Phat writes:
Granted we need to keep our own authoritarians in check.
Right now, your authoritarians - and that includes you - are the most dangerous (human) force on earth. Next to them, Putin is a saint.
Phat writes:
China will be the new global boss by 2030...
We learned a long time ago that your predictions are worthless.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 539 of 995 (893173)
03-30-2022 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 524 by Phat
03-29-2022 3:23 PM


Re: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
Phat writes:
We have veto power in the UN Security Council.
Four other nations have the same power, so I wouldn't call it an actual veto. And it's part of what prevents the UN from getting anything done.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 540 of 995 (893175)
03-30-2022 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 527 by Phat
03-29-2022 3:43 PM


Re: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
Phat writes:
And what makes these domestic (im assuming) authoritarians so dangerous?
Are you kidding? Have you ever heard of Donald Trump? You guys are a few thousand votes from having him as President for Life. And his Republican henchmen are bending over backwards to make it happen.
Phat writes:
Is it because we won't let you print money for social programs?
Stop listening to the voices in your head. I have never advocated that.
Phat writes:
... we are simply trying to preserve the value of the dollar...
Helping the poor would do a lot more to preserve the value of the dollar. More taxpayers.
Phat writes:
We resist globalism.
That's just stupid. Globalism is a fact. With the present state of communications and transportation, there's no avoiding it.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
We learned a long time ago that your predictions are worthless.
The jury is still out.
That's your favorite bumper sticker. It's just as worthless as your predictions.
You're like Jeb Bush saying, "George is ahead! Stop counting!" Or Donald Trump saying, "I'm ahead! Stop counting!"
Luckily for the real world, you don't dictate the time line. When all of the votes are counted, the elction is over. When the jury is in, it's in.
Phat writes:
If you dont think China will be the dominant nation on earth by 2030, you have a lot of reading to do.
If I read the same crap that you do, I might reach the same crappy conclusions.
You should try less reading and more thinking.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 541 of 995 (893176)
03-30-2022 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 530 by Phat
03-29-2022 4:02 PM


Re: ARe: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
Phat writes:
Im telling you Russia wants control of the sea and the resources.
In 1901, Rudyard Kipling published a book called Kim about a British spy dealing with Russian spies in Afghanistan who were trying to gain access to the Indian Ocean.
That's 1901. Nineteen-oh-one.
Congratulations on figuring it out more than a century after it became common knowledge.
Russians don't change, whether they're Tsarists or Bolsheviks or gangsters.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 547 of 995 (893186)
03-31-2022 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 542 by Phat
03-30-2022 5:38 PM


Re: ARe: Phats Two Cents...Leftist Version
Phat writes:
Do you and jar have anything of worth to say besides accusations?
If you read my posts, you'd know what I have to say - and you'd quit saying silly things like calling me a Marxist or saying I'm trying to escape responsibility or saying I have faith in humanism to solve all our problems or countless other silly things that I've told you are false.
Phat writes:
I just want us to be careful about a one-world globalist government.
There's no need for you to be careful - even if there was anything you could do about it. It ain't gonna happen. The Age of Empires is over. The Russian Empire is fragmented, despite Putin's efforts to duct-tape it back together, and the American Empire is in steep decline. The made-up "nations" of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia have split up. There are separatist movements in many nations. Even international organizations such as the UNH are struggling to hold together.
Look to a future of more governments, not one government.
Phat writes:
It won't be to our advantage!
And nobody is saying it will - which is why nobody is advocating it. It's just your right-wing fantasy bogeyman.
Phat writes:
The pesky nations will all want some sort of equality which we will be forced to pay for.
The pesky nation is yours.
Years ago, I heard somebody explain the difference between Democrats and Republicans: Democrats think everybody in the world wants to be an American. Republicans want to make everybody in the world an American.
You do want one world government - but you want that government to be yours.
Phat writes:
The bottom line is that a one-world government will likely end up as the culmination of evil.
See above.
Phat writes:
Everyone has been warned but fails to see it due to their hatred of right-wing authoritarians. Wake up.
Do you know what the slogan of the Nazi Party was?
Deutschland erwache!
Which translates as "Germany, awake!" Look at the company you're keeping.
We need more fear and loathing of right-wing authoritarians, not less.
ABE:
I wrote this before reading jar's Message 543 below yours, so any similarities are coincidental - independent minds drawing similar conclusions.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 563 of 995 (893214)
04-01-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 553 by AZPaul3
03-31-2022 6:23 PM


Re: Pecking Away at Poland
AZPaul3 writes:
... then determine if going farther is militarily and politically necessary.
Used to be called "crossing the Yalu." More recently, "a line in the sand."

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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