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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
It would take balls of molten lava but there may be a Step Into Madness scenario. Tell Putin we will strike him one for one on the nuclear scale. Let him know if he pops a nuke ANWHERE that we will pop one IN Russia of equal yield / similar target. Let him know that if he wishes to escalate in yield or target type then we will follow suit. It’s madness, of course, but the first flash, and its retaliation, may clarify his untenable position for him.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Well this is fun. They're getting worried aren't they?
Russia has threatened to strike British targets in Nato territory because it is supplying weapons to Ukraine and supporting its raids against Putin's army. Moscow's defence ministry said any backing from London for Ukrainian attacks on Russian soil would invite a "proportional response". Maria Zakharova, who speaks for the Russian foreign ministry, asked if "we understand" Moscow can attack Nato countries who support Kyiv on their own territory. The threats follows a series of apparent Ukrainian sabotage operations against targets throughout Russia, seeking to hamper the calamitous - but extremely bloody - attack on their country. Ms Zakharova, one of the most outspoken and prominent voices during the invasion, said: "Do we understand correctly that for the sake of disrupting the logistics of military supplies, Russia can strike military targets on the territory of those Nato countries that supply arms to the Kyiv regime? "After all, this directly leads to deaths and bloodshed on Ukrainian territory. As far as I understand, Britain is one of those countries." Russia threatens to strike against Britain over its support for Ukraine - LBCJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Details like Britain being NATO were glossed over. What good did this bluster do for Russia? Is Boris apt to acquiesce? Is anyone in NATO? This is the Baghdad Bob level of international stupidity.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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What Happened on Day 63 of the War in Ukraine - The New York Times
Russia’s state-run gas company, Gazprom, announced that it was suspending shipments of natural gas to Poland and Bulgaria, a move that the European Union’s top official denounced as “blackmail.” Serious? Blackmail? The sense of awareness on both sides is disturbing. Russia thinks arming their adversaries is not fair. It's cheating. EU thinks Russia cutting off gas supplies is not fair. It's blackmail. Are these people in the same world as us? Do these folks not realize that these are the kinds of things that happen when THERE'S A FUCKING WAR ON! Excuse me, of course I meant to refer to the special military operation. Cheating? Blackmail? In a war? Really?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes:
Our own media don't seem to have much of a clue what war is about either. They're constantly surprised that civilians are being killed. (And some of those civilians are women and children!) In a war? Really? And our Prime Minister, Trudeau Jr., calls it an "illegal war", as if Putin didn't get the proper permits."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
It's almost as if Russia doesn't understand what war is. "What? If we invade they can attack us back? But, but, that's not fair."
In related news, the attacks on Bryansk, oil depots about 70 miles deep into Russia, and other targets could have been carried out by Tochkas, ancient Soviet era surface-to-surface ballistic missiles with 250-pound warheads that have been upgraded over the years. Ukraine is thought to have 90 launchers and 500 missiles. Concerning other recent Russian noise, it's no surprise that since we stopped self-enforcement of the "keep Russia mollified because, you know, nukes" rule that Russia is reminding us of it. --Percy
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Prophet Hitchens [ From March 8th, 2005 at the University of Western Ontario. --Admin ]
Edited by Admin, : Add date/place.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Two bits of news
"Two Russian strikes have hit Kyiv, officials say, as UN chief Antonio Guterres is in the city for talks with President Volodymyr Zelensky" Russia apparently doesn't feel the need to make friends and influence the UN. And, more hopefully "President Biden is asking Congress to approve a record $33bn aid package for Ukraine, including more arms" The gas issue is a problem though, it could split the EUJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. |
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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AZPaul3 writes: It’s madness, of course, but the first flash, and its retaliation, may clarify his untenable position for him. That MADness has prevented a nuclear exchange for decades. Having spent my grade school years tucked under my desk with my head between my legs, I definitely don't relish the new depth to the nuclear shadow. But Putin will rattle his missiles with every act of aggression. It really is as simple as the schoolyard bully: resist, and it may go hard for you; submit, and it will for sure go hard for you. It's generally best practice to punch the bully in the nose right off the bat. It provides clarity. Having watched the spectacular failure of Russian tanks in Ukraine, with their "Jack-in-the-box" design flaw (shells and missiles carried in the turret), making any direct hit a devastating blow, I wonder how much confidence Putin can have in his launch capabilities. Some Russian American friends tell me no one in Russia expects anything to work, largely due to corruption and cronyism. I suspect the moment Putin decided to go nuclear would be the most hazardous of his career. Straight up madness even gave Kevin McCarthy a moment of sanity. One general. One shot. But I don't think he'll go there. Faced with sustained painful, expensive resistance, he will declare victory for domestic consumption and try to keep whatever he has occupied, ready to try again later."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
One general. One shot. That's why the table is so long.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
quote: Too funny and probably true -- but he has to sit with his back to something. In 1979 I worked for the ROK government. The country was ruled with an iron hand by the authoritarian Park Chung Hee and had been for years. One morning I walked through the gate and froze before armored personnel carriers with manned gun emplacements, because the director of the Korean CIA shot President Park in the head the night before in a drunken quarrel. Like Bugs sez, one never knows, do one?"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
It's generally best practice to punch the bully in the nose right off the bat. It provides clarity. I may be reading things incorrectly, but I always thought Putin sees the U.S. as the bully, of course, tyrants hardly ever are rational or even close to normal.
I suspect the moment Putin decided to go nuclear would be the most hazardous of his career. Straight up madness even gave Kevin McCarthy a moment of sanity. I have lost any confidence I may have once had that we have enough uncorrupted decision makers will make any good choices regarding this renewed armed standoff with Russia. Someone remind me how we can tell we won the Cold War?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
Tanypteryx writes: Someone remind me how we can tell we won the Cold War? The USSR collapsed. The world didn't go BOOM despite near-constant regional proxy wars -- that was about the best we could hope for... There's corruption in all human endeavors. But our weapon systems work. We spotted the keen vulnerability of Russian armor decades ago, and designed our counters accordingly. The Russian designs remained static. Putin thinks the west is the putz who's gonna give up the lunch money. He thought his WWII-vintage conventional forces were the new irresistible blitzkrieg. He's being re-educated."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Personally, I think Vlad will use nukes in Ukraine. Even with that knowledge what are we to do? Let him take more and more countries? Let him and his horde rape and pillage across the globe?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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Theodoric writes: Personally, I think Vlad will use nukes in Ukraine. I don't think Putin is mad, just evil. He dreams of a return to Soviet-era glories. If his current borders were threatened, he'd go nukes, but that would spell defeat for his dream. Stymied, he will wait like a patient spider for another opportunity. Evil is never eliminated. It always returns. Ask Frodo."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
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