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Michael MD
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Message 117 of 589 (885947)
04-29-2021 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by AZPaul3
04-28-2021 6:53 PM


Re: Death to MMX
In asking "where to look" for the ether, my response would be that a fresh new approach to field investigation would be needed. My private research indicates that, in order to elicit physical evidence of an ether, you would need a new kind of approach, eschewing traditional kinds of laboratory investigations, and instead attempt to elicit etheric forces from natural earth sources.
I couldn't go into the details of how I would set up such a field study, over the Internet. The first etheric effect sought for would be levitation. -If a levitation effect was predicted in advance, and then found, it would be strong evidence that it really was due to ether.

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Message 127 of 589 (886338)
05-16-2021 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Tanypteryx
04-13-2021 4:34 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
As I reviewed this Message, I thought of how a couple of questions might be clarified, as to how my Ether Model views them.
As to Michelson-Morley et al experiments (MMX), I claim they falsely assumed that any ether would interact with their measurements of beams of light. -You ask what I meant by there being "no inertial interface" between the ether I propose, and the photons that transmit visible light beams. This meant that the elemental ether units, that would have formed first-causally, and that make up the preponderance of the ether, are vanishingly smaller than the photons. The photon merely "brushes them aside," inertially, as it moves, so the light beams and the ether don't interact as MMX assumes. However, the photon, like any quantum unit, nevertheless still "feels" these ether units, and their vibratory pattern, vibrationally. -That is behind my model's explanation for quantum entanglement.

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Message 130 of 589 (886363)
05-17-2021 7:21 AM
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05-16-2021 1:29 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
In my Ether Model, any ether would have to be universal, by its very nature. That is why it would have originated first-causally. (This part of my model is given in my opening post on page one of this Thread.)
According to the ether model I work with, there are two kinds of ether units: elemental units, which are extremely tiny, and less-predominant ether units I call "etheroidal," which are formed as elemental units combine via a vibratory-contact mechanism (when any linear force happens to affect un-energized, randomly-vibrating, small ether units, their vibrations become more aligned, which causes them to entrain into larger and larger ether units.)
In my model , etheroidal units are the basis of gravitational attraction. -If one considers two solid bodies that are being attracted gravitationally, their interiors contain quantum and atomic units that are bound to each other. However, ether also exists inside the two bodies (ether is universal, existing all around us and inside us.) Inside the two solid bodies, the etheroidal units, that are there as part of the ether component of the interiors of the bodies, are able to "leak" outside of the surface of the bodies, being smaller than the quantum/atomic units of the bodies at the surface. Entering the space between the two bodies, the "near-quantal" properties of these etheroidal units converts the space between the two bodies, from a state where un-energized ether units are quietly vibrating in a random fashion, to a state where ether units are more aligned with each other, effectively partially quantizing this space. This also means that the elemental ether units in the space are no longer vibrating randomly, but rather are increasingly in vibratory contact with each other, which, overall, contracts the ether between the two bodies, drawing them toward each other gravitationally.

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Michael MD
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Message 132 of 589 (886375)
05-18-2021 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Tanypteryx
05-17-2021 4:28 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
You are correct, I derived my basic ideas about the ether from an outside source, via a long term codebreaking study. (If you check through this Thread, you can find where I described this more fully in an earlier post.)

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Michael MD
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Message 133 of 589 (886376)
05-18-2021 8:18 AM
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05-17-2021 4:28 PM


Re: Stop and smell the aether
To answer your other question, "how did I determine" that the etheroidal ether units in my Ether Model are the key to gravitational attraction? - Part of my answer is that I inferred this from studying the code source I just mentioned.
In this model of gravity, there would be a steady "leakage" of the larger-sized etheric (and thus "almost quantal,") etheroidal units from the surface of the two solid bodies. The ether, from an overall standpoint, would be steadily "trying" to "correct" what it "perceives" as "new gaps" in the ether, between the two bodies, in order to to restore the same state the ether has in outside space, but never quite doing it, due to the ongoing stream of etheroidal units from the interiors of the solid bodies. -The result is that there are two opposing forces producing the "pull" of gravitation, which makes it a less forceful form of energy than forces like magnetism, but gravity maintains its lesser force, and maintains itself, through equilibrating with the other cosmic forces and unit-moieties in the region.

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Michael MD
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Message 142 of 589 (886392)
05-19-2021 8:02 AM
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05-18-2021 3:04 PM


Re: This Thread Expressed Through Cartoons
By saying the ether "tries" to maintain its own kind of state in the zone of space between the gravitating bodies, I was using a simplified analogy to clarify a new concept, of how the ether in my model would act to produce gravity.
Basically, the idea would be that tiny units of the ether comprise a universal vibrational matrix, within which different vibratory patterns can develop. When a new pattern appears in any region of the ether, such as the appearance of an influx of etheroidal units into the zone of space between two bodies, the preponderant ether, outside this zone will "feel" the change, and interact with it, producing further changes in the zone, by an inflow of ether units from outside it.
In my gravity model, the ether outside the zone between two solid bodies "feels" the different vibratory pattern in that zone of space, and this results in the outside ether transmitting its own (comparatively un-energized) vibratory patterns to this zone, but never quite fully changing it, due to the ongoing leakage of etheroidal units from the two solid bodies, increasing vibratory contacts between etheric units there, and the zone continues to be etherically constricted, producing an attraction between the bodies.

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Message 144 of 589 (886464)
05-21-2021 12:51 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Phat
05-19-2021 2:47 PM


Re: This Thread Expressed Through Cartoons
Phat: If you check back and read my opening Post at page one of the Thread, I presented a fairly lengthy theoretic model for how a first sapient Entity could have arisen as part of a first-causal cosmic setting. My model went from an initial universal spatial oscillation, to a universal etheric setting consisting of independently-vibrating point-like localities, and then to how quantum/atomic moieties could have arisen within a region where more linear forces happened to exist, and how sapience could have developed in a "cosmic egg" moiety that produced a sapient entity.

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Michael MD
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Message 146 of 589 (886468)
05-21-2021 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by anglagard
05-21-2021 7:10 AM


Re: This Thread Expressed Through The English Language
You touched on a central point of my first-causal model, where you state "oscillation =vibration." -However, my first causal model, views this differently, in that oscillation is viewed as a repetitive motion in which the repetitive motion of the central point is in a state of balanced reciprocity with the motions of other identical points.
With the transition to "vibration," in my model, these repetitive motions are no longer reciprocating in balance with other points, but rather their motion is independent of them. Such etheric, or "point-like," localities are able to interact with each other, as their outward motions come into contact.

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Message 149 of 589 (886528)
05-23-2021 7:48 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by anglagard
05-22-2021 1:26 PM


Re: Fair Warning
What you propose I do with my material, i.e., getting it published in a peer-reviewed physics journal, has an inherent problem with it, which is illustrated by your own recent point of criticism involving "oscillation equals vibration," (per standard physics definition). This is only one example of the kinds of disconnect that my kind of model would have with standard models of present-day physics.
What I refer to in my Ether Model as "oscillation" refers to a type of oscillation that could have existed in Original Space. -As described in my opening post, first-causal oscillation would, in my Ether Model, have occurred in a type of space that existed originally, prior to everything else, and very conceivably, uniquely different. Theoretic oscillation within it would have involved identical, "elemental," point-localities. Their oscillations could have been "purer," involving motions that were absolutely perfectly balanced in their interactive reciprocity, and unlike types of oscillation familiar to physics now.
(Following this, in my Model, there occurred a transition of these elemental point-localities, via a "Yin and Yang" process, to a state in which their motions became independent of each other, producing a universal ether whose units interact with each other as their outward vibrations come into contact.)

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Message 151 of 589 (886712)
06-01-2021 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by anglagard
05-30-2021 2:30 PM


Re: Fair Warning
Anglagard: This is a reply not to your stating that my Ether Model is not enough to challenge the present consensus in physics, but I notice that you're based in Socorro, NM - mildly coincidental, in that I lived down the road (Rt 60) in Magdalena for almost a year, in 1978, as a doctor in the Indian Health Service.
There were few other MDs in that area back then. (The Hospital Director in Socorro told me that I was "the only thing between here and Arizona.')
Mathematics will only be able to be used after a procedure is devised to produce a selectively ether-rich energy field. -One cannot do math on the ether without observations and measurements, and correlating such data. Of course, at present, physics does not even recognize the existence of the ether.

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Michael MD
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Message 153 of 589 (887026)
06-30-2021 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Michael MD
06-01-2021 10:25 AM


Re: Fair Warning
One potentially-important aspect of the disconnect between my ether model's version of creation, and the Big Bang model of physics, would be to consider the basic question of "why does our universe contain unit-moieties?"
If one entertains the concept of an ether which (like our quantum world) is composed of separate"units" (rather than being an entirely fluidic ether),then a logical step from there would be that (1) Since any kind of underlying ether would have to be universal, by its very nature, (2) A universal ether, composed of "units," would have arisen first-causally, from ultimately-small (etheric) "elemental" units. These could be termed "unit-moieties," which, through the influence of linear motions of other units, could then align with, and entrain with, other ether units, to form larger and larger-size units, up to the size-scale of quantum units and atoms.
Physics now considers that the many quantum-scale units we can observe, like
photon electrons, quarks, etc.) are distinctive, having purposeful roles in nature, such as the Higgs boson, which in current theory represents the key unit in producing a quantum atomic setting, where solid matter or "mass" originated.
In my ether model, the very first setting was original universal space,within which a pure type of oscillation of elemental units transitioned to a "second world" composed of vibrationally-interactive elemental units.
When someone reports the discovery of a "new particle" discovered in the artificial setting of a physics laboratory, or an accelerator, my reaction is "So what?" -The important question should be, what were the unit-moieties that were involved, naturally, in the first-causal setting. -Until physics recognizes the existence of an ether, such questions will never even be asked.

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Michael MD
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Message 154 of 589 (887058)
07-06-2021 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by Michael MD
06-30-2021 5:42 PM


Re: Fair Warning
I submit that my ether model proposes a much more rational first-causal setting than does the Big Bang theory. In my model, a universal ether arose when a pure type of oscillation within universal original space transitioned, via a Yin and Yang process, to an ether composed predominantly of unimaginably (to us now) small, "elemental," vibrational units, which interact with each other via contact vibration, within a universal underlying ether matrix.
Eventually, etheric radiations produced a local region where radiations happened to be linear, which resulted in a quantally-constituted, sapient, Entity. Following this, a quantum/atomic universe was created by projecting quantum electrons toward a "virgin" ether region. The linear movement of the electrons through the ether caused alignment and entrainment of ether units, which produced larger and larger units via a chain reactional process, such as protons and neutrons.
When one hears that a "new kind of particle" has been discovered at an accelerator-collider, my reaction is "So what?" -The important question should be, what were the units involved, naturally, in a first-causal setting?

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Message 157 of 589 (887070)
07-07-2021 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Tanypteryx
07-06-2021 2:02 PM


Re: Fair Warning
We have no detectable evidence of the ether because its predominant units are post-first-causal, and first-world-elemental in origin, they are "inter-worldly" in terms of their origin, and so small compared to our quantum/atomic-based abilities to detect, we have not yet been able to pick them up.

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Message 161 of 589 (887082)
07-08-2021 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by Tanypteryx
07-07-2021 10:14 AM


Re: Fair Warning
This is getting to be a lengthy Thread, but I described, in one earlier post, having done some codebreaking work, which purported to reveal not only the basic concepts concerning the ether, but also how to go about detecting it using our own kinds of technology. It would be expensive, and I have yet to be able to get it done.

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Message 167 of 589 (887263)
07-28-2021 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by ICANT
07-28-2021 1:52 AM


Re: This Thread Expressed Through Cartoons
To answer your question,my ether model would have to go through a number of steps, including a few basic assumptions that should be reasonable and logical.
If an underlying ether exists, it would have to be universal, and to have formed first-causally. In the very beginning, it is assumed that all that existed was universal space. Original space would have differed from present day space. It would have been free of everything else, such as forces. Thus, original space could well have been very self-compatible, where extremely-rarified, "elemental," or etheric, "points," or point-localities, were reciprocally oscillating, in a perfectly "pure" type of oscillation.
Eventually, a pair of adjacent points underwent oscillational fatigue, and fell toward each other, forming "Yin and Yang" couplets. (Oscillational fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals.) At this juncture, there were multiple areas all throughout space where couplets were forming, and this process would not have been uniform everywhere, producing multiple tiny energy units that were coursing in various directions, with different units interacting with each other. (After oscillations of points had transitioned to independent vibrations, the units now were able to interact with each other via contact-vibration. Couplets tended to interact with other couplets, as their matching vibrations "felt" each other.)
This would have represented a "second world" consisting of etheric energic processes interacting with each other everywhere.
In my ether model, a creational Entity arose after the etheric processes in a local spot happened to be very linear, where the linearity of the ether units caused their vibrations to align mutually with each other, so that they entrained with each other, producing larger and larger units, up to the size of quantum units. This quantization of ether units then produced a "cosmic egg" quantal moiety, which then became a sapient Entity, as speeding ether units happened to tangentially contact it, producing reverberating energy circuits, which were able to form intelligence and consciousness.

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