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Phat Member  Posts: 18761 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
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Phat Member Posts: 18761 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Since when are herbs fattening? Unless you mean "getting the munchies"...
 And I wonder where Michael MD is? Could he be a cousin of Mike The Wiz?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Edited by Phat, : No reason given. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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MMD writes: Im just curious where you formulated your model. I realize that you have been talking about it since at least 2013, as I perused the web. However, in my Ether Model, the ether had to have arisen first causally,would quite probably be ultimately-rarified, and vanishingly smaller than the photons which transmit visible light beams. Such an ether would not have any inertial interface with the light beams. The ether and the light beams could not interact, With this type of ether, physics would be wrong in dismissing ether on the basis of MMX. Im just curious is all. 
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18761 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
You and other critically minded pseudo believers or non believers like to frame this intelligence issue somewhat politically, ironically. Half the people use evidence based logic, reason, and reality (like you! Coincidence?) and the other half are in a giant void of common sense and their beliefs are classified as fantasy. Got it.
I look at it virtually the opposite. Half the people are denying that GOD exists or...if they do, they are relativists who understand that GOD and Jesus are simply symbols and that evidence CLEARLY proves that we make GOD up. Boy are you guys in for a surprise! Not only that, but when it is proven that humans CANT get along and there are wars over global warming property and resource issues and lo and behold an antichrist type leader actually DOES appear and benignly tries to get the world out of religious thoughts except for humanism as a sort of religion, then maybe we can talk further. Until then, I will think the way I think without worrying how to convince you."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18761 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Tanypteryx writes: Call it "drinking the koolaid". The product presented. The direction the theory is taking us. Thats why I promoted this. I knew it would stir up some focused responses.
What the fuck does any of this have to do with ether?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Tangle writes: Good morning! O Tangled One from across the pond. Caught any fish lately? ... 'ffs, another crack-pot fantasist with another personal and half-baked theory of everything that no-one else will listen to so he came here to make a mess'. And you let him in. Did you ever follow boxing? One of the greatest (self proclaimed and in actuality) fighters was Muhammad Ali. When he held the title, he used to give many other lesser fighters a chance (opportunity) to get their shot at the title. Critics called it the bum-of-the-month club. Did he need the fights? What did those fights do for him? What did they do for the lucky fighters who had a chance to dance with him in the spotlight? If EvC just sits here with the lot of you eating peanuts and cracking jokes, what purpose do we serve? Ask Percy...its his baby. But I need not have to defend my decision for every newbie I promote nor every old one who comes back to visit. We saw how Mike The Wiz ran. jar predicted it. But I let him in precisely because he is controversial. Perhaps a mistake...but so what? Raphael came back and is a delight! He grew up, became an actual Pastor whom I respect, and adds to our conversations. But enough of that. I have something for you. Along the lines of how you once said that religion is diminishing in the world and will be entirely irrelevant within another 100 years. I wont drag Mr. Michael MD's topic off, however. Look for it elsewhere. *ATTENTION: MICHAEL M.D. We need guest assistance at the Service Desk.*"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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AZPaul3 writes: He isnt stitching up a gash in your leg, for crying out loud! You have this dim-witted idea that the scientific method is some sort of mantra to explain life and that is the only approach that people can or should use.
Mike, I’m surprised that after 30 years in the medical profession you don’t seem to comprehend the methods you practiced all your life. AZPaul3 writes: Who said that the good retired Doctor is using science? He is discussing a pop concept, like Aliens or the Bermuda Triangle or Loki having an equal voice as a God candidate.
This is not the way science is done...nwr writes: I know that nwr is right about this one.\! People who doubt the existence of the ether aren't likely to do it for you. People who doubt the existance of God never helped me much either, apart from playing rather good devils advocates. Be encouraged, Michael MD. May the Farce be with you! 
Cosmic Butterfly Debunker writes: Perhaps you guys need to all learn to read! Michael MD set the stage early on.
You mean like how could anyone be gullible enough to believe any of this bullshit?Michael MD writes: It appears obvious to me that Michael MD was simply waxing philosophical and hypothetical. -Here, I will not try to go into all the aspects of this theoretical disconnect, but rather I will just present my ether-based model of creation. All of you literalist critical thinkers are ready to slay the first guy that waunders from your precious methodology. Answer me this, Tanypteryx: If Stan Lee or Isaac Asimov were spinning a sci fi tale of intrigue with pseudo science which they had created simply for entertainment value (and to pass the time speculating with other Sci Fi lovers, would you corner either of them and ask them ...like how could anyone be gullible enough to believe any of this bullshit?
Michael MD writes: Right here the good Doctor tells us that the topic interests him. He is not trying to push it to be accepted mainstream. He is not claiming it is true....only that it is speculative and reasonable within SCI Fi para mainstream pop culture. I became interested in para mainstream mysteries in the 1970s, when people began debating about the Bermuda Triangle and a few other similar areas. You guys really need to loosen up around here. Edited by Phat, : spinning not sinning"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18761 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
PaulK writes: Is It Science? No. It isn’t. That’s pretty obvious. That seems unanimous. But Michael has an opportunity to challenge that assumption...or...perhaps I DID put him in the wrong Forum. Lots of otherwise educated people like to discuss fringe topics. I have my demons... perhaps the good Doctor could chime in on what he thinks of that fringe topic. Since Michael MD is a new member here, perhaps I failed to tell him that any member can post in the Coffee House. But I think you guys are too uptight. jar in particular seems to want to frame these topics as either rational and critically thought out or bat shit crazy and sad. That's EvC Forum, I guess. Chew on this a moment, however.
Criticism of science To wit:
Wiki writes: Philosopher of science Paul Feyerabend advanced the idea of epistemological anarchism, which holds that there are no useful and exception-free methodological rules governing the progress of science or the growth of knowledge, and that the idea that science can or should operate according to universal and fixed rules is unrealistic, pernicious and detrimental to science itself.[1] Feyerabend advocates a democratic society where science is treated as an equal to other ideologies or social institutions such as religion, and education, or magic and mythology, and considers the dominance of science in society authoritarian and unjustified.[1] He also contended (along with Imre Lakatos) that the demarcation problem of distinguishing science from pseudoscience on objective grounds is not possible and thus fatal to the notion of science running according to fixed, universal rules.[1] AZPaul3 seems to nearly worship Science...if it were possible. And yet half in jest he speaks of enlightening mind-opening things such as trips in the desert on Peyote or other mind-expanding drugs. Speaking as the charismaniac that I am, I see it all as choosing your poison. Which is what we are effectively hashing (pun intended!) out in this topic."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18761 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
 Did you make that up? May the farce be with you. I cant wait for the next Chapter where you introduce the Tree of Critical Thinking and the evil Tree of Dogma and Mythos. I'll have to ask Dr, Michael if he is a believer in anything or whether he properly questions his own results."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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I told you these guys here are tough, unforgiving, and at times insulting. It is one thing when they chastise *me* because I have been on this Forum for nearly 18 years. Feel free to shoot right back at them.
Michael MD writes: So jar says you have no model. This response may force you to think about what a model is, as you understand it. They do this to me all the time. Academic specialty journal editors would probably not even forward it for peer reviews. I have tried submitting it, and got responses such as "I wouldn't know where to start." Trying this interdisciplinary, wide-ranging, kind of model in a forum like EvC seemed the likeliest way to go, with the kind of model I have.
It's easy to say "get your material published," another thing to do it.
Do you see this topic as a hobby, a passion, or a goal to get published?
Academic specialty journal editors would probably not even forward it for peer reviews. I have tried submitting it, and got responses such as "I wouldn't know where to start." That might be a clue that the concept model needs work. What do you think, Michael?
I'm sorry but I could not go into specific details more than this over the Internet. Which may be a clue that this is something that is too complicated to publish. Or confusing.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18761 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Great analogy! Your brain is firing on all cylinders today.
(Im off and may have some time for our debates as soon as I get my real chores done."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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