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Michael MD
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Message 519 of 589 (893440)
04-13-2022 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 518 by jar
04-13-2022 11:29 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Tanypteryx's Message 511 was in a serious vein, which started me thinking that posts would head into a genuinely-serious-dialogue trend. But now it seems like it could be going toward the "lightweight" type of responses.

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Michael MD
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Message 521 of 589 (893444)
04-13-2022 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 520 by Tanypteryx
04-13-2022 11:55 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
My Ether Model has such a major fundamental disconnect with currently-accepted physics that the two could never combine in the way you mention, i.e., into "a new model that would expand physics."
Accepting an ether model like mine would necessitate almost a whole new library of work investigating and theorizing on etheric processes as the true forces underlying and underpinning quantum physics, a library section separate from the libraries now dealing with physics.

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Michael MD
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Message 528 of 589 (893669)
04-18-2022 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 527 by ringo
04-16-2022 11:47 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
My Ether Model makes the most sense. Should we continue with the model currently accepted in physics? - There was a "Big Bang" and "then atoms appeared."

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Michael MD
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Message 531 of 589 (893856)
04-21-2022 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 528 by Michael MD
04-18-2022 7:01 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
With my ether model, and its concepts of design and maintenance in the cosmos, one's cosmological perspective changes completely. Instead of a universe determined by randomly-acting quantum forces and quantally structured bodies, which we simply observe and devise theories and hypotheses for, the universe becomes a designed world maintained through an ether-based otherworldly technology.
The ether is the key to using an etheric technology and manipulating the etheric forces that, according to my Model, underpin our quantum world. One important purpose in this is to maintain the magnetism-dependent stability of our world of quantum forces and quantally- structured bodies, in the face of the effects of the ethereality of vast outer space.
When we marvel at the super-vastness of the visible universe, one should keep in mind that much of that is purposefully related to that goal of stable cosmic maintenance.

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Michael MD
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Message 536 of 589 (893919)
04-23-2022 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 533 by ringo
04-21-2022 12:52 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
I disagree with your implication that my Ether Model's perspectives and differences with respect to the currently accepted models of cosmology and physics is due to my "lack of understanding" the mainstream models.
I think that the main factor involved in the differences rests in the major disconnects in fundamental theoretic assumptions, between my Ether Model and the mainstream models. Just one example lies in how each model views the question as to the nature of elemental force-units. In the standard model, the smallest known units are called neutrinos. They are viewed as having been derived from larger units in the cosmos. (In other words, larger units produce these "smallest" units (meaning they are the smallest units we are able to detect with our technology.)
In my Model, on the other hand, the smallest units are referred to as (still more-rarified, than neutrinos, and undetectable for us) elemental ether units. These ether units are viewed as having originated first-causally from original space, and (in my Model) they produce all the larger units, up to the size-scale of quantum units, through a vibratory-contact mechanism. (As two elemental ether units combine into a ("Yin and Yang") couplet unit, the (now doubled-up) vibratory "nodes" combine with a matching pair of vibratory nodes of a second couplet, forming a tetrad unit. Then rapidly-multiplying other contacts produce larger and larger units, up to the size of quantum units, through a "lock and link-up" mechanism.
In the standard model, larger units produce the smallest units. -In my Ether Model, it's just the opposite - the smallest units produce the larger units.
This is just one illustration of the vast fundamental differences between my ether model and the standard model, and why I object to attributing "important differences" to one model "not understanding" the other. The important disconnects involve much more than that.

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Michael MD
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Joined: 04-03-2021


Message 545 of 589 (893965)
04-26-2022 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 537 by nwr
04-23-2022 2:42 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
To correct a mis-statement in your Post. - I do have a possible field test of my Ether Model. I have described it in a few earlier posts here, so I won't go through it again, except to mention again that it would be designed to tap into naturally-occurring etheric forces, and checking a prediction that objects inside the test-system will undergo a decrease in their density (an effect not produced by known forces.)

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Michael MD
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Posts: 108
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Message 549 of 589 (894034)
04-29-2022 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 547 by dwise1
04-26-2022 9:11 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
My previous mentions of my possible field-test did not include any additional information as to the exact details of what it would involve, besides what I just gave in my last Post. So there wouldn't be any point in referencing those earlier mentions of "field testing" the Ether Model.
I would go into those details only to a potential financial sponsor.

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Michael MD
Member (Idle past 604 days)
Posts: 108
Joined: 04-03-2021


Message 557 of 589 (894101)
05-01-2022 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 552 by jar
04-29-2022 12:01 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
The assertion that Einstein/Eddington's findings that light from a distant star bends around the sun on the way to earth doesn't necessarily mean that "gravity bends light." That assumption merely reflects theories in physics that erroneously dismiss the existence of an underlying universal ether. If there's an ether, the reason light bends like that would be entirely different.
In my Ether Model, photonic units in the distant star "sense," through the ether matrix, other photonic-patterned etheric foci throughout space, including the light from our Sun. As a result, light beams from the distant star, interacting with all the similarly-patterned photonic source like our Sun, interact etherically with it. Quantum-size photon units generated by, and acompanying, the photonically-patterned ether units, follow the same path, this quantum portion of the light beam being visible to us on earth, through space between the two stars.
Before light beams heading toward earth reach the earth, they have to pass by, and very close to, the Sun. Of course, there are many other light beams hitting the Sun. -As the units skirting the Sun toward earth pass the Sun, they interact with the ether's more-photonically-energized helical region. These light beams, which had just passed through space regions that were less photonically energized (than in the region near the Sun), interact more strongly with the ambient ether units there, due to the magnetic attraction between the ether units near the Sun, compared to the less-photonically-energized regions of space that they had just been passing through. That means that the path of the photons in the light beams, as we see them, have undergone a change in their interactive behavior in the space near the Sun. That's why the light beam is seen to bend.

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Michael MD
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Posts: 108
Joined: 04-03-2021


Message 559 of 589 (894166)
05-04-2022 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 558 by jar
05-01-2022 8:11 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
My reply to your Post was, in part, necessarily intended to illustrate how my ether model works. -It isn't possible to tailor this kind of reply to conform to how people accustomed to discussing areas of quantum physics usually dialogue.
In my Model, light beams from a star traverse space differently from how physics now views it. In my Model, the primary process occurs in the ether matrix, as elemental ether units, when they "feel" another similarly-patterned zone through the ether, transmit a patterned impulse, through a mechanism of vibratory contact, unit-to-unit. The ether units do not move in the inertial sense. Quantum units are generated as part of such an etheric process. If light beams are involved, this generates quantum photons all along the pathway of the light beam. Here again, inertial motion is not involved.
Gravity, in my model, involves "nearly quantum," or etheroidal, units which "leak" from inside a quantally-structured body, through its "relatively permeable" (to sub-quantum sized units), themselves quantum-sized, units making up the outer surface, into the space between it and another body. -This partially quantizes the space between the bodies, partially converting that space into something a bit more similar to the interiors of the bodies. The way the ether in the space reacts, to this incursion of etheroidal units, is to increase its own vibratory activity, going from its normal previous state of quiet random vibration, to a state of increased vibration and interactive vibratory contact. -Overall, the state of the ether in this space constricts in response to the increase of interactive contact, which is what produces gravitational attraction between the two bodies.

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Michael MD
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Posts: 108
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Message 562 of 589 (894240)
05-07-2022 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 561 by Tanypteryx
05-04-2022 2:20 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Tanypteryx,
I'm not able to answer all your questions in detail right now, due to time constraints.
In brief, I'll just say that you continue to post criticisms that are based on quantum theory, and its assumptions, especially the key assumption that there is no ether, and further, that there is no unappreciated underlying ether dynamic system as the key to correctly understanding and interpreting quantum dynamics.

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Michael MD
Member (Idle past 604 days)
Posts: 108
Joined: 04-03-2021


Message 565 of 589 (894345)
05-13-2022 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 564 by Tanypteryx
05-07-2022 8:03 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Tanypteryx,
In posting questions asking how my ether Model would address various phenomena observed in quantum dynamics, you're asking for the impossible.
My model of Ether proposes that the ether's individual force-units all operate through a vibrational type of dynamic. As smaller units build into larger, or "etheroidal," units, they still operate according to the vibratory dynamic. Then, when an etheroidal unit reaches the size- scale of a quantum unit, it can start operating as patrt of the quantum dynamics system, which operates differently. (However, in my Model, even the larger quantum units retain an ability to react to etheric vibrations, as seen in quantum entanglement.)

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Michael MD
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Message 567 of 589 (895323)
06-22-2022 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 566 by Tanypteryx
05-13-2022 7:53 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
The way my Model views light-transmission differs from the standard model of physics (which pictures the photons of visible light "speeding through space"), but my Model makes sense.
Recapitulating my basic Ether Model, a universal ether arose first-causally after oscillating point-like localities of original space underwent oscillational fatigue, and singlet "points" fell toward each other, forming "Yin and Yang" couplet-units, now representing independent units that vibrated instead of oscillating, which interacted with each other, as their vibrations came into contact. -Wherever two such Yin-Yang couplets came into contact, their matching vibrations produced tetrad ether units. This represented an instantaneous "lock and link" mechanism, through which larger and larger units form, up to the size of quantum units and atoms. This produced a universal ether matrix, containing larger force-units, that continued to exist from then on.
The way light would be transmitted through the ether matrix would be as follows: A light source's fundamental etheric forces would "feel" the etheric forces of a distant "target," having a similar photonic vibratory pattern as the source, through the ether (in a similar way as two similar quantum units "feel" each other, etherically, through the ether matrix, in quantum entanglement.)
Transmission of the light from the source would occur like this: the primary transmission is by the ether forces at the source, which transmit an impulse of vibratory ether units, which, interactively, pass the impulse along, via their contact vibrations. This impulse, consisting of ether units having a photonic vibratory pattern, is passed along, in an instantaneous way, at the speed of light. Larger quantum-scale units (photons) are generated, through similar etheric vibrations, all along the path of the light transmission.
There is no inertial motion at any stage of the process, either between the ether units transmitting the basic impulse, or in the formation of the photons appearing along the path of the light transmission.
Our eyes are atomically structured, and it would be the photons formed in the transmission that allow us to see the light. We would be unable to see the etheric portion of the light transmission.

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Michael MD
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Message 571 of 589 (895374)
06-24-2022 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 570 by Tanypteryx
06-22-2022 5:21 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
If this was all just my imagination, how could it be this wide-ranging and remain logical?

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Michael MD
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Message 575 of 589 (895405)
06-26-2022 3:42 AM
Reply to: Message 574 by ringo
06-24-2022 12:12 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
The Ether Model within this Thread deserves serious consideration as an alternative to standard physics theory. Criticism that it's not wide ranging enough or not logical should raise specific points in the Thread to be debated.
Where else is there a detailed scientific model ranging from first cause through creation to our present world?
In courts of law, circumstantial evidence reaches a point where it at least deserves to be seriously considered.

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Michael MD
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Posts: 108
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Message 578 of 589 (895408)
06-26-2022 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 576 by PaulK
06-26-2022 4:04 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
To try to put the latest exchanges of disagreements in a context I consider fair -
Criticizing my Ether Model on a basis of its disconnect with modern quantum theory would be impossible for me to reply to, because of the key fundamental disconnect between my Model and Physics' standard model - involving a Big Bang, their key dismissal of the ether, and so on. My Model is based on proposing the undetected existence of a universal ether which underpins the quantum dynamics we observe.
It would not be fair to argue with my Model based on the present assumption of the consensus that the standard Model is established factual reality, which I suspect underlays the criticism. In fairness to this Ether Model, that kind of assumption should not be used to dispute it.
The only way to pointedly argue against my Model would be to cite specific points I made, and point out internal inconsistencies or internal fallacies in logic.

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