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Michael MD
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Message 454 of 589 (891604)
02-05-2022 9:06 AM
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02-04-2022 1:01 PM


Re: To summarize the most basic partsRe: Actual origin of QM
As "an observation in physics that would support" the model of the ether I propose-
"Quantum entanglement" just represents radiated packets of etheric energy which have the same vibratory pattern. Elemental ether units are the only actual participants in the phenomenon, with the pair of quantum units kinetically "walled off," like the "cool arms" of a quiet, purring, ether mechanism which can just turn itself on and off.
Parenthetically, this is a message line I claim to have decoded, (verbatim, and cleanly) from the coded source I recently talked about.
Compare the straightforwardness of this kind of explanation with the numerous and convoluted explanations of quantum entanglement that are given using standard physics.

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Michael MD
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Message 465 of 589 (892423)
03-07-2022 9:49 AM
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02-05-2022 11:04 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
To encapsulate the fundamental basis of this Ether Model differently, and maybe more concisely and clearly.
Transition from a first world, consisting of elemental-units reciprocally oscillating
to a second "ether world," consisting of elemental units independently vibrating, and interacting via contact vibration, produced an etheric "second world," via first-causal processes occurring randomly.
Then, from partly-quantized "islands" that appeared inside this "second" world, a designed creational process was done, that involved projecting quantum electrons through the ether, which caused a self-sustained chain-reactional process in the ether. This was what generated the protons and atoms that make up the world we are in now. (The primary process in this involved ambient ether units reacting to the transit of the electrons, with larger and larger units being generated according to the process described in my recent posts.

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Michael MD
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Message 469 of 589 (892470)
03-08-2022 1:08 AM
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03-07-2022 1:02 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
In a designed creational process, a world like ours, made up of replicated, and atomically organized, systems, would be due not to a Big Bang and other random-chance cosmic processes, as is now accepted, but rather it has to be the result of creational design, along the lines proposed in my Ether Model.

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Michael MD
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Message 472 of 589 (892527)
03-09-2022 9:56 AM
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03-08-2022 1:38 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Since my basic ether model hasn't gotten much consideration in Science, I try to avoid extending it to cosmic theory. But the way my Model would address the observation of accelerated recession of the most-distant celestial bodies would be that it represents our universe getting ever-closer to another (created) universe, whose gravitational pull on this universe's outermost bodies is producing what appears to be an expansion.
The creational idea behind this design would be that one universe (ours) is losing internal energy, which increases the effect on it from outside energies. (Galaxies have been observed colliding with each other.) -The beneficial part of this is that the younger cluster's energy re-vitalizes the "tired" cluster.

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Michael MD
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Message 476 of 589 (892644)
03-11-2022 10:16 AM
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03-09-2022 11:37 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Most of your criticisms stem from the scientific viewpoint of consensus quantum physics. The existence of a universal ether makes for a very different perspective on the theoretic points you cited.
If an ether exists, it exists everywhere, including any portions of space between galaxies, or between two universes. Those areas of space, although not quantized to the extent of the space around the energized bodies of the solar system, for example, would still be in touch with, and interactive with, their regional ether, which exists inside the universe. Gravitational (or to a lesser degree magnetic) forces existing in the ether of a galactic or universe cluster would gradually radiate their higher energy to the ether in the less-energized outer-space region, which is still basically the same ether, although in the pre-creational ether state of outer space, and which thus contains predominantly ether units vibrating quietly and randomly, rather than energically - except for the region neighboring the universe's cluster of energized bodies. -I don't know how to clarify it any more than this.

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Michael MD
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Message 479 of 589 (892700)
03-12-2022 1:31 PM
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03-11-2022 11:45 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
I believe the only way to demonstrate the ether using our available technologies would be to generate a selectively-etheric energy field, and measure the density of objects in the test system for decreased density. No known form of energy has that effect.
I have a protocol for such a field test, but it would be costly, and would need a financial sponsor.

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Michael MD
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Message 490 of 589 (892889)
03-17-2022 9:31 AM
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03-16-2022 12:04 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
To answer your leading question, to generate a selectively etheric field, you would not "remove ether from the field."
The basic idea of my Ether Model is that in our world, we are able to perceive and generate forces mediated by quantum-scale energy units: electrons and photons mainly. But underlying the world of quantum forces and their dynamics, involving distance-vectors and the behavior of quantum units, there exists a different dynamic, involving much-smaller etheric units, which operate via a different, vibratory, type of dynamic.
This ether dynamic world is connected with the overlying quantum world through the effect of ether units contacting each other vibrationally, forming larger and larger units, up to the size scale of the quantum units.
I have described this in detail in my earlier posts. -To answer your question, if you were to generate a selectively etheric field, the ether could not be "removed," inasmuch as it is the essential basic component of our familiar quantum world. Instead, you would have to have a way of inducing a higher proportion of ether units within the atoms of objects making up the test system, so that they have relatively more ether-scale units, and comparatively less of the larger quantum units.

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Michael MD
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Message 491 of 589 (892890)
03-17-2022 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 489 by dwise1
03-16-2022 2:24 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
This reply is not directly connected with your post, which was directed toward Stile's prior post, but incidentally, what caught my attention was how you described your great interest in Isaac Asimov and his "Foundations."
In the early 1960s, I sat in a medical school (Boston Univ.) biochemistry class he gave a series of lectures to (I. Azimov was, at the time, a well known author, but was still a member of the medical school's faculty there.) I can still recall his lecture style, which typefied native New Yorkers, quite different from the typically-more-formal, more-staid, style of our other, mostly-Boston-area, lecturers. Of course, all of us in the class had heard of him in the context of his writings in science. He had a very prominent mane of thick black hair that also sticks in my memory. -He lectured entirely on biochemistry. He never mentioned that he was a famous author of somewhat-unique scientific books.

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Michael MD
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Message 495 of 589 (893169)
03-30-2022 8:17 AM
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03-17-2022 2:16 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Your question as to my concept of the ether, and "whether it has negative mass" is not relevant, because of my concept of how the ether arose. This derivation indicates that the ether has no mass. "Mass" is a concept pertaining to quantum theory, but not to my ether theory.
Possibly you haven't gone through my discussion of the ether's logical origin at the start of this thread, or didn't assimilate it fully, if you did go through it.
The rationale, here, is that 1) if an ether exists, it would have to be universal, 2) if universal, the ether would have to have arisen first-causally, before anything else happened, and 3) the only possible first-causal substrate to form an ether had to be original space. In my Ether Model, because of the way they had to form, units of the ether are massless.
I won't repeat the whole discussion of how my Model claims an ether formed. -You can look it up, near the beginning of this thread, if you wish to.

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Michael MD
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Message 497 of 589 (893201)
04-01-2022 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 496 by Stile
03-31-2022 9:01 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
To your last post: I have "contradicted myself in terms of basic physics," because my theoretic ether model differs in a basic way from currently-accepted quantum theory. Presently accepted quantum theory dismisses the existence of ether, which changes everything around, with respect to the ether model, in fundamental ways.
According to my ether model, the ether arose first-causally, and underlies everything else, including the quantum world. -If one were to apply a selectively-etheric field to objects in (a specially-designed field test, I claim that) the atoms making up the objects inside the test system will undergo the following change: their atoms will then be comprised of relatively more ether-size-scale units, and comparatively less quantum-size-scale units, and therefore the objects will become less dense. If weighed, they will weigh less than before. -No known form of energy has this property.

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Michael MD
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Message 499 of 589 (893208)
04-01-2022 9:27 AM
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04-01-2022 2:41 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
As for your criticism that it's presumptuous of me to claim that I have the broad, accurate, understanding, as given in my Ether Model -
If you check back a few pages in this thread, you will see a discussion, wherein I claim to have done original codebreaking work on putatively-otherworldly sets of codes in a historical Document, and that that was the source of the Ether Model. I don't claim it came out of my own head, although there have been instances where I have inserted comparatively minor additional ideas of my own, the basic Model isn't my own. (An otherworldly source could have access to occult information about the world that we lack, as comparative newcomers, learning things.)

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Michael MD
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Message 505 of 589 (893292)
04-03-2022 7:12 AM
Reply to: Message 496 by Stile
03-31-2022 9:01 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Properly answering your post requires a somewhat lengthy discussion of how standard quantum theory, including its concepts of "mass" and density, contrasts with my ether model. Of course, the main reason for the disconnect between the two theoretic models is that standard physics theory claims an ether does not exist, whereas my ether model claims that there exists a universal ether matrix that fundamentally underpins all the quantum-order phenomena we observe and base standard physics theory on.
In my model, a universal ether arose first-causally, when point-like, or "etheric," localities transitioned from reciprocally oscillating with each other due to oscillatory fatigue (a known process; it occurs in metals, for example) to a state of independent vibration, and interacting with each other as their vibrations came into contact.
I submit that the well known depiction of Yin and Yang represents a version of such a first-causal process, given to ancient people to show how a more-advanced people believed the world started.
Interpreting it that way, two first-causal, or "elementary," point-like units combine, as tear-drop-shaped Yin and Yang units, into a couplet unit. (Their previous shape, when oscillating, had probably been spherical, but as they now moved for the first time, due to oscillatory fatigue, their shape changed to tear-drop shape.) Their orientation with respect to other elementary "points" also changed, as they switched from reciprocal oscillation to independent vibration, and interacting vibrationally.
As other such couplets came into contact, their matching vibrations linked them into a tetrad unit. Then further, rapidly-multiplying vibrational contacts within the emerging ether "matrix" locked and linked up into larger units, up to the size scale of quantum units and atoms.
That's my Model's basic version of how quantum force-units arose and continue to arise. -One can contrast the rationale of this version with the standard version in physics, of a "Big Bang," followed by the appearance of atoms and "mass."
To appreciate my model of weight, density, and "mass," you have to compare the rationales of the two models in a number of respects, including first-cause, and more. My ether model has more to it, involving first causation and later creation of our atomically-structured world, than the above. Those have been given in other posts further back in this thread.

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Michael MD
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Message 510 of 589 (893375)
04-09-2022 11:26 AM
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04-09-2022 9:34 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
Your question about specific properties the Higgs boson has, does not enter into my Ether Model. In my Model, the key units forming atoms during Creation of our quantum world were electrons and protons.
Creation of our world, then, was done from a partly-quantized, partly etheric, creational "base" within a macrocosm, an "ether world," that preceded it (if you wish, you can review my model of how that ether arose first-causally from original space) by creationally passing electrons from that "base" through the ether. (The base had become partly-quantized, fortuitously, by virtue of the fact that the radiations of ether units in the area of the base happened to be especially linear). Then a creational Entity projected quantum electrons, through the ether, to produce a quantum universe, the advantage of such a universe, compared to an ether world, being that things would become more magnetically stable, than with the ether macrocosm. As the electrons passed through the ether, the units of the ether underwent a shift toward the formation of quantum units - protons - in reaction to the negative charge of the speeding electrons. This took place as a self-sustained chain-reaction, throughout this region of the ether, which had been creationally programmed.
With this model, various units like muons, bosons, and others, that physicists have discovered using accelerators and colliders, are not importantly relevant. They just happen to be what has been left over, once atoms have been forcibly smashed.
(I didn't discuss neutrons together with the creational model of electrons and protons, because it would be beyond the present theoretical vista, in terms of current quantum theory. (Neutrons have been found to exist, as such, only inside atoms. Outside of the atom, they decay into a proton, electron, and an antineutron. This area of theory is not for me to discuss, as I am an ether theorist rather than a quantum theorist.
Going back to another post of mine in this thread, I did discuss how my ether model would view the question of cosmic muons. Muons have been observed bombarding, and penetrating into, earth. -Physics currently attributes these muons to "particle interactions" as cosmic rays hit the outer layers of earth's stratosphere. -With my ether model, however, the source of such muons would more likely be as a kind of "stardust" component in space which arise from vast cosmic collisions, strong enough to split atoms of the cosmic bodies involved, with the muons being one prominent by-product.
(The concept of the electron/photon unit having been the key unit in the creation of our quantum universe is consistent with the observation that its velocity (speed of light) is the highest speed limit in the universe.)

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Michael MD
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Message 514 of 589 (893410)
04-11-2022 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 511 by Tanypteryx
04-09-2022 12:53 PM


Re: Powerful Stuff
I'll answer your questions one at a time.
1. Question as to "electrons forming protons as they (electrons) passed through the ether." - The concept here is that negatively-charged electrons would interact, etherically, with all the ether units in the universal ether matrix, generating positively charged protons. (My ether model says that the electrons were originally formed from ether units themselves, and so, like all quantum units, retain an ability to interact with the elemental ether units everywhere in the ether matrix.
2) What does "partly quantized" mean? - The idea here is that there was an "ether world" that existed after the ether formed first-causally from original space, and in this ether world, there were ether units in motion, in the form of ether radiations, because once the ether formed, and all the (now vibrating) units started interacting, there should have been localized areas where the radiations happened to be more linear and less randomly directed, than other areas of the ether. In that area, the more linear, or parallel, motion of the ether units tended to make them line-up with each other as they interacted vibrationally with each other, and become better organized into larger units like quantum units and atoms.
3. How was "creational passage of electrons through the ether" done? -From our present vantage point, we have to entertain that, possibly, creational movements of electrons could have been done in the form of mental projections, because the creator would have been more highly etherically attuned than we are, being in an area which was was only partly quantized, and still highly etheric, and different from our more-quantal, less etheric, world.
4. Why is our quantum world more "magnetically stable" than the preceding ether world? - That would be because things in our world are quantally-structured, so their structural stability depends on quantum units and atoms. -In an ether world, one can imagine how the higher degree of ethereality would confer less magnetic stability.
5. Question about how collider experiments in physics would differ from the model of electrons speeding through the ether. - The collider experiments involve quantum/atomic units. My model of creation is basically different, in the theoretic sense, in that the ether plays a key role. There is no comparing the two.
6. How would a "programmed" creation work, as a "chain reaction?" -The idea here is that a creator had some experience projecting creational energy-units locally, before going on to use it in creating a universe, and thus would have had the ability to judiciously apply those forces in such a way as to form a well-designed, or programmed, universe.
7. What is "stardust?" My ether model is basically different from that of physics, which says there is no ether. -With my Model, as various cosmic worlds collide,(so-called "Worlds in Collision") there would be a huge amount of debris, such as atoms of different kinds, along with smashed atoms and their smaller sub-units, like muons. "Stardust" would be a term referring to all these materials circulating all around the universe.
8. How does Einstein's E=mc^2 relate to this ether model? -I don't see any major conflict between them. In both cases, energy contained inside atomic and subatomic units is enormous.

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Michael MD
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Message 517 of 589 (893432)
04-13-2022 11:11 AM
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04-12-2022 11:54 AM


Re: Powerful Stuff
"Choppin broccoli" has nothing to do with it. This Thread is An Ether Based Creation Model. If that's not serious, what is?

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