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hooah212002
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Message 51 of 140 (723121)
03-26-2014 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by iano
03-26-2014 5:35 PM


This this this, a thousand fucking times this. That book is the sole reason I have been tobacco free for 523 days.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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Message 53 of 140 (723137)
03-27-2014 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Faith
03-27-2014 4:07 AM


Re: Sounds like this book is a miracle method for quitting
I can see why you think the way you do because when I tell peopel about the book, I feel like a scummy street preacher because all I have is my testimony and what I swear to seems extraordinary. The difference with this book is that it doesn't claim to work miracles. Quitting smoking isn't miraculous, it's understanding (scientifically) that you are harming your body, you (more often than not) don't actually like smoking (honestly, who does?) and your're going to stop. It's not a magic bullet; you still have to genuinely want to quit. It's just that, more often than not, people that read it and don't want to quit, end up quitting because o f the easy way.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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Message 59 of 140 (723183)
03-27-2014 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Dogmafood
03-27-2014 9:01 AM


Re: Sounds like this book is a miracle method for quitting
I am assuming this post if sarcasm? Doesn't seem like something you'd normally say.
Its like telling a gay person that they shouldn't be gay because its bad for their health.
If there were actual side effects with being gay that are brought on by merely being gay, you'd have a point. But the only time being gay has caused serious bodily harm is at the hands of bigots.
A good cigar and a glass of whiskey or a joint and a beer are among the true pleasures in life.
Again, I can't tell if your post is serious or not, but as far as this bit is concerned: that is not the aim of the book. People that smoke a occasional cigar or joint are not the target group of the book. People that have an occasional cigar or joint (or even multiple joints every day) aren't in the same category as "people that need to stop smoking". I smoke weed every day and if it happens to harm me or be bad (not proven to yet), at least I get something out of it as opposed to cigarettes all I got out of it is stinking and wanting another cigarette.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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Message 60 of 140 (723185)
03-27-2014 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by New Cat's Eye
03-27-2014 10:35 AM


I honestly don't understand what the uproar is other than the fact that there is no hard and fast regulation on what is in the solution, so that vapor could be anything. Is it just a remnant of people equating someone blowing a smoke like substance with cigarettes or something else known to be harmful? The vapor dissipates immediately and has less of an odor than a car or that old ladies perfume.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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Message 62 of 140 (723192)
03-27-2014 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Faith
03-27-2014 6:43 AM


Re: Sounds like this book is a miracle method for quitting
You would do well to just read the book instead of basing your opinions on the introduction or reviews on Amazon. It was a mistake for me to even engage you in conversation because you twist EVERYTHING to suit your beliefs, even topics that have nothing whatsoever to do with them.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 64 of 140 (723196)
03-27-2014 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by kjsimons
03-27-2014 2:21 PM


Re: Just don't exhale
Is there nicotine in the exhaled vapor? I would think that defeats the purpose of ingesting the nicotine if you don't actually ingest it. Also, what about the nicotine free vaporizers?

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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Message 69 of 140 (723219)
03-27-2014 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by kjsimons
03-27-2014 7:50 PM


Re: Just don't exhale
do you really think you would absorb 100% of it.
I don't know which is why I am refraining from reacting as if I do know.
I haven't found any data on how much nicotine is breathed out when using e-cigs, but I would assume at least some would be.
But you feel confident that you should react as if you DO know how much nicotine is breathed out and you are certain it is a non-negligable amount that will most certainly cause you problems?
Do you really think that whatver nicotine that is exhaled from an electronic cigarette is worse than what is already in the air?

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 71 of 140 (723221)
03-27-2014 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by kjsimons
03-27-2014 7:58 PM


Re: Just don't exhale
The amount of nicotine in vegetables is miniscule compared to the amount in cigarettes.
But we aren't talking about cigarettes. Try a relevant comparison.
Now you're just being a troll.
As much as EvC likes to think so, this is not a valid response simply because you disagree with someone. the label of troll around here is utterly meaningless because you all toss it around to everyone with a differing opinion.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 73 of 140 (723223)
03-27-2014 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by kjsimons
03-27-2014 8:01 PM


Re: Just don't exhale
Try arguing with facts and data instead of emotion. this will prove nearly impossible since the electonic cigarett market/vaping is severely lacking in reputable study and is often touted as being actually healthy.
yet you seem to thing you should be able to spew it out where ever you are without any regard to anyone else.
Said no one in this thread except you.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 76 of 140 (723227)
03-27-2014 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by kjsimons
03-27-2014 8:12 PM


Re: Just don't exhale
I find it odd that they neither name the study nor provide a link to it. At any rate, you've yet to show that there more nicotine in the exhaled vapor of an electronic cigarette than there is in a tomato, yet you are up in arms about e-cigs. You are reacting as if e-cigs are actively killing you, yet no one has a clue as to what is actually in the vapor.
but more study is needed to determine if this is harmful.
Why wait for study results? You've already determined it to be harmful.
Explain how your argument differs from that of the "vaccines cause autism" argument?
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 78 of 140 (723231)
03-27-2014 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by kjsimons
03-27-2014 8:42 PM


Re: Just don't exhale
why not ask the question why not see if its harmful before allowing it as it is a toxin?
I could ask that, yes. I have actually asked that, indeed. Howevre, that is not the topic of this line of discussion and is not the tact you are following.
the difference is: I acknowledge that it is essentially just water vapor and dissipates almost immediately. No one is blowing it in my face (I'd blow my fist in their face if they did), so why would I get up in arms about it? As long as I don't smell it, I don't really care.
I have not said anywhere that it is harmful, just that nicotine is a poison and so it may be better to err on the side of caution until we know more about the risk.
No, you've not said that you think it is harmful. You have acted as though you are convinced it is, though.
Well, vaccines aren't poisonous and aren't being released into the air for others to breathe. There is a definite public heath benefit to vaccines (i.e. lots of people don't die). And all the dozens of studies done have shown no increased risk of autism due to vaccines. So it differs a hell of a lot.
None of which stops the anti vaxxers from spouting BS without sufficient data to back them up. They, too, have news articles that claim scientific studies to back them up.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 82 of 140 (723243)
03-28-2014 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Jon
03-27-2014 10:47 PM


Re: Just don't exhale
All the more reason to tell folk to blow their mystery vapor somewhere else.
Maybe I am a bit confused. Is your concern that people are blowing vapor in your face? Or that they are doing it indoors within your view? If the former, I can see a problem, but not with the vapor itself: that's fucking rude and you should take it up with that person, not as a crusade against their hobby. If the latter, then,....well....tough shit? I am pretty sure I have halitosis so my breath is probably more foul than the vapor exhaled by e-cigs and no one says shit to me (except for my wife when I gross her out by breathing in her face after a long night of whiskey, weed and garlic bread).
Secondly: have you any evidence that anything that is exhaled from e-cigs or vaporizors lingers for any amount of time? If it isn't blown in your face, what is the problem? Is there any science that indicates that water vapor lingers around, causing damage or being harmful well after it dissipates?
Look, I am disgusted by smokers more than is reasonable and I think people that smoke e-cigs and the like look silly and should stop advocating them as healthy alternatives (less dangerous alternatives would be better since we don't know if they are healthy or not), but to crusade against them and treat them the same as cigarettes is asinine. To claim them to be flat out dangerous to others is ridiculous.
"it's new and I am ignorant of it, so it must be dangerous"
How many people are still dying because various locales refuse to recognize the health hazard?
Still dying from what? Where? What do you mean with this?
Or, instead, you could explain how it is any bit similar.
"I have no data to back up my fear, but it persists nonetheless and I will advocate against it". The basic arguments are exactly the same for both topics. Granted, it's a pretty weak comparison and I won't bother making it anymore.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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Message 88 of 140 (723314)
03-28-2014 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Jon
03-28-2014 11:20 PM


Re: Just don't exhale
It's not in your air.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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