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Topic: Ancient Biblical ritual saves MILLIONS of lives
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Diomedes
Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: 09-13-2013
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Message 18 of 98 (720607)
02-25-2014 10:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Tangle 02-25-2014 10:39 AM
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Re: Hacks
God's a bloke, right? No way would he have got the design of the dick wrong. (And so small...) Follow-up question: if god created man in his own image, does god still have his foreskin? "Our future lies not in our dogmatic past, but in our enlightened present"
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Diomedes
Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: 09-13-2013
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Message 73 of 98 (721176)
03-04-2014 2:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 69 by Eliyahu 03-04-2014 12:14 AM
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The Israelites lived for centuries among the Egyptians, and they forced circumcision on the Egyptians. So the Egyptians got it from the Jews, not the other way around. The Israelites were the underclass in that society. Oftentimes being part of the slave labor pool. Exactly how did they force any procedure onto the overlords? If they had any sway in that society, Exodus would not have needed to occur. Additionally, the earliest mention of any Jewish type faith or people was no earlier than 1500 BCE. Egypt predates that by over 1000 years or more. So you got your timelines mixed up.
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Diomedes
Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: 09-13-2013
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History of Circumcision
From wikipedia: History of circumcision - Wikipedia Main excerpt:
quote: Sixth Dynasty (2345—2181 BC) tomb artwork in Egypt has been thought to be the oldest documentary evidence of circumcision, the most ancient depiction being a bas-relief from the necropolis at Saqqara (ca. 2400 BC) with the inscriptions reading: "The ointment is to make it acceptable." and "Hold him so that he does not fall". In the oldest written account, by an Egyptian named Uha, in the 23rd century BC, he describes a mass circumcision and boasts of his ability to stoically endure the pain: "When I was circumcised, together with one hundred and twenty men...there was none thereof who hit out, there was none thereof who was hit, and there was none thereof who scratched and there was none thereof who was scratched."
So if earliest known Hebrew and Jewish faith occurs no earlier than 1500 BCE and earliest known circumcision in Egypt dates to 2300 BCE, than it is impossible for the Jews to have taught or in any way influenced this procedure onto the Egyptians.
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Diomedes
Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: 09-13-2013
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Re: History of Circumcision
He's just trying to prop up his faith by dishonestly making it out to be more than it is. And now he has moved on to Torah/Bible codes as a means to 'prove' his thesis. More nonsensical rubbish that was debunked years ago. Is this guy just a troll?
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Diomedes
Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: 09-13-2013
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Message 80 of 98 (721299)
03-06-2014 11:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 79 by Tangle 03-06-2014 3:28 AM
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He's not really a troll, he's just evangelising. He posts some pre-prepared junk, when he gets a rebuttal he ignores it then moves on to the next pre-prepared piece of junk. He's doing God's work. Reminds me of my dialog with jaywill. It is frankly quite annoying. If all you are going to do is post rubbish and then ignore rebuttals, I don't see this as something that should be tolerated in this forum. EVC is meant to be an exchange of ideas. Point and counterpoint. Not a pulpit for preaching.
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Diomedes
Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: 09-13-2013
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Message 86 of 98 (721701)
03-11-2014 12:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 82 by Eliyahu 03-11-2014 12:39 AM
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In the beginning they were the rulers. Oh really? You know, that's funny because the wikipedia article on the history of the Jews in Egypt makes no mention of them being rulers. They were immigrants to that area forming part of the original trade economy. History of the Jews in Egypt - Wikipedia You want to cite me a source that isn't some vague blogpost from a crackpot?
It is the historians who have their time lines messed up. Just read the book "Ages in Chaos", and you'll see. Ahhhhh. So all the historians are wrong and one book written by noted nutjob Immanuel Velikovsky should be my baseline source for sound information? Oh, here is an excerpt regarding a refutation of your book you may want to review:
quote: The revised chronology proposed by Ages in Chaos has been rejected by nearly all mainstream historians and Egyptologists. It was claimed, starting with early reviewers, that Velikovsky's usage of material for proof is often very selective. In 1965 the leading cuneiformist Abraham Sachs, in a forum at Brown University, discredited Velikovsky's use of Mesopotamian cuneiform sources. Velikovsky was never able to refute Sachs' attack.
So in 1965 (nearly 50 years ago), this nonsense was debunked and the author could never refute the attacking arguments. Yet here we are in 2014 and we still have people such as yourself peddling this nonsense. Coyote was right. You might as well start citing Erich von Dniken as source material. Why stop there? Maybe you can use the Harry Potter series to demonstrate that witches and wizards walk among us. Edited by Diomedes, : Fixed typo
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Diomedes
Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: 09-13-2013
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Well, it is the latest publication on the subject. And it hasn't been refuted. So according to scientific rules, for all intents and purposes it has been scientifically proven and the debate is over. Excellent! I live near Universal Studios, Orlando so maybe I should swing by the Harry Potter exhibit and buy myself a wand.
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Diomedes
Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: 09-13-2013
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*sigh* You stupid Muggles don't know anything Drat! Just checked out one of those wands and its just a glorified flashlight. Hmmmm. Makes me think: merge a Taser with a Harry Potter wand. That would at least convey the possibility of 'magic'.
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Diomedes
Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: 09-13-2013
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Message 97 of 98 (721784)
03-12-2014 8:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 92 by Eliyahu 03-12-2014 1:46 AM
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Velikovsky was a genius who made Albert Einstein pale in comparison. History is a very soft science. Well, let's face it, it is not a science at all. It is based on assumptions and unproven theories. And the proofs Velikovsky brings in his book "Ages in Chaos" are so strong that a blind man can see he is right. Just read the book and your eyes will be opened. Ok, now I KNOW you are a troll.
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