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Author Topic:   Ancient Biblical ritual saves MILLIONS of lives
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Message 23 of 98 (720624)
02-25-2014 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Eliyahu
02-25-2014 7:35 AM


Although the idea somehow caught on that circumcision has some protective function, it's utterly ridiculous to think that's why God required it of Abraham. People do the same thing with the ancient food laws, claim they are simply the best food for people to eat, and make up all kinds of rationalizations for why that is. However, in the New Testament both circumcision and the Jewish food laws are declared to be inapplicable to the Gentiles who are becoming believers. It's absurd to think Gentiles would have been excluded from practices that have to do with health.
Both circumcision and the food laws are presented in scripture in the context of setting Israel apart from her Gentile neighbors. Circumcision sealed the covenant with God, the food laws kept the people from eating foods sacrificed by the heathen nations to their demon gods. Also some foods are symbolic or "types" of demonic creatures. Trying to give all this a medical meaning is to give a worldly meaning where an unworldly meaning was intended and to obscure God's true purpose in creating for Himself a holy people, a people set apart from the other nations of this world.
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Message 24 of 98 (720626)
02-25-2014 2:05 PM
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02-25-2014 1:50 PM


Circumcision is also symbolic, symbolic of the removal of the "flesh" or the "world" from around the "heart" which is symbolic of the human spirit, thus releasing the human spirit which had been buried in the flesh. God is making for himself a spiritual people out of a fleshly people. This was fulfilled through the Messiah, Jesus Christ, as were all the other symbols and types of the Old Testament.

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Message 37 of 98 (720663)
02-26-2014 1:13 AM
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02-26-2014 12:07 AM


Christianity threw all Gods laws overboard, replaced it with paganism, introduces an extra man-god; the "son", and runs after a messiah who didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies.
Spoken like a good Pharisee, which you are, right?
Nobody threw God's laws overboard, the NT declares them holy and binding, and Jesus said He didn't come to abolish but to fulfill them and that every jot and tittle of the Hebrew writing would be fulfilled. I'm sure you are aware of that passage. He is the one who fulfilled the law, to perfection, because nobody born of the fallen human race is capable of obeying it to perfection, and perfection is required to qualify for God's presence, even the tiniest violation of the law being enough to condemn us for eternity. Because God is infinite and perfect and nobody can exist in His presence without His holiness. So Jesus, the Son of God, became a man in order to robe us in that holiness by paying for our sins against the Law through His own death as well as by obeying the Law to perfection. You think you can earn your way into God's presence but that is quite simply impossible for any human being. You fail all the time, every day, every hour, every minute, as we all do.
The identity of Jesus is revealed throughout the Hebrew scriptures, and He fulfilled every messianic prophecy though you strain yourself to deny it. I hope you may eventually come to recognize it.
What do you think "Kiss the Son" means in Psalm 2?
And then they think they are the new chosen people....
Well, not exactly. We have been "grafted" into the root of Abraham, so we are his adopted offspring, and one body with all the faithful Jews of the Old Testament, grafted into the Chosen People, not a new or separate chosen people, although some things did change when Jesus came.

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Message 40 of 98 (720667)
02-26-2014 2:07 AM
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02-26-2014 2:02 AM


Fraid most of your post went over my head. Yes I suppose how much of a Pharisee Eliyahu is remains to be seen, but his arguments so far do remind me of arguments I've had with Orthodox Jews who are the descendants of the Pharisees of Jesus' day.
Maybe you'd like to run some of your other stuff by me again?
But no, I hadn't heard of that story you mention.
I was really never much into Star Trek by the way.
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Message 41 of 98 (720668)
02-26-2014 2:10 AM
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02-26-2014 2:02 AM


Another skim-thru tells me all you are saying is that you like the Pharisees better than you like the Christians. Nothing much to say about that. You're entitled to your opinion, as they say.

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Message 44 of 98 (720671)
02-26-2014 3:35 AM
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02-26-2014 2:40 AM


This isn't the thread for it but I am curious how the Jesus Freaks managed to make your life so miserable that you keep bringing them up at every opportunity.

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