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Tangle
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Message 8 of 98 (720584)
02-25-2014 9:26 AM


Care to tell us why this knowledgeable god gave us a foreskin to start with then? Seems like a bit of a hack to me......
(Or AIDS for that matter.)

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Message 9 of 98 (720588)
02-25-2014 9:57 AM


Can we ask for a product recall? If so, I'd also like a bigger one please.

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Message 15 of 98 (720600)
02-25-2014 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Phat
02-25-2014 10:26 AM


Re: Hacks
Phat writes:
One could philosophize that there are some aspects of the creative process that are left for humans to work.
God's a bloke, right? No way would he have got the design of the dick wrong. (And so small...)
Hypothetically, if God created everything finished, we humans would have nothing to do.
So he invented hacking off bits of dick as a passtime? He's worse than Satan.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 58 of 98 (720876)
02-28-2014 4:17 AM


It seems that in reality, the origins and reasons for the practice of circumcision are many and various.
I draw your eyes to this statement "Darby describes these theories as "conflicting", and states that "the only point of agreement among proponents of the various theories is that promoting good health had nothing to do with it"
The origination of male circumcision is not known with certainty. It has been variously proposed that it began as a religious sacrifice, as a rite of passage marking a boy's entrance into adulthood, as a form of sympathetic magic to ensure virility or fertility, as a means of enhancing sexual pleasure, as an aid to hygiene where regular bathing was impractical, as a means of marking those of higher social status, as a means of humiliating enemies and slaves by symbolic castration, as a means of differentiating a circumcising group from their non-circumcising neighbors, as a means of discouraging masturbation or other socially proscribed sexual behaviors, as a means of removing "excess" pleasure, as a means of increasing a man's attractiveness to women, as a demonstration of one's ability to endure pain, or as a male counterpart to menstruation or the breaking of the hymen, or to copy the rare natural occurrence of a missing foreskin of an important leader, and as a display of disgust of the smegma produced by the foreskin.
It has been suggested that the custom of circumcision gave advantages to tribes that practiced it and thus led to its spread.[1][2][3] Darby describes these theories as "conflicting", and states that "the only point of agreement among proponents of the various theories is that promoting good health had nothing to do with it."[2] Immerman et al. suggest that circumcision causes lowered sexual arousal of pubescent males, and hypothesize that this was a competitive advantage to tribes practising circumcision, leading to its spread.[4] Wilson suggests that circumcision reduces insemination efficiency, reducing a man's capacity for extra-pair fertilizations by impairing sperm competition. Thus, men who display this signal of sexual obedience, may gain social benefits, if married men are selected to offer social trust and investment preferentially to peers who are less threatening to their paternity.[5]
It is possible that circumcision arose independently in different cultures for different reasons.
The oldest documentary evidence for circumcision comes from ancient Egypt.[6] Circumcision was common, although not universal, among ancient Semitic peoples.[7] In the aftermath of the conquests of Alexander the Great, however, Greek dislike of circumcision (they regarded a man as truly "naked" only if his prepuce was retracted) led to a decline in its incidence among many peoples that had previously practiced it.[8]
Circumcision has ancient roots among several ethnic groups in sub-equatorial Africa, and is still performed on adolescent boys to symbolize their transition to warrior status or adulthood.[9]
History of circumcision - Wikipedia
No surprises then, just more special pleading by a fanatic.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 79 of 98 (721277)
03-06-2014 3:28 AM


He's not really a troll, he's just evangelising. He posts some pre-prepared junk, when he gets a rebuttal he ignores it then moves on to the next pre-prepared piece of junk.
He's doing God's work.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 93 of 98 (721772)
03-12-2014 4:22 AM
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03-12-2014 1:46 AM


Re: ``
Eliyahu writes:
And you think that when Wikipedia doesn't mention something, then it doesn't exist??
And you think that when wikipedia DOES mention something it doesn't count?
Velikovsky's ideas have been almost entirely rejected by mainstream academia (often vociferously so) and his work is generally regarded as erroneous in all its detailed conclusions. Moreover, scholars view his unorthodox methodology (for example, using comparative mythology to derive scenarios in celestial mechanics) as an unacceptable way to arrive at conclusions.
The late Stephen Jay Gould[33] offered a synopsis of the mainstream response to Velikovsky, writing, "Velikovsky is neither crank nor charlatanalthough, to state my opinion and to quote one of my colleagues, he is at least gloriously wrong... Velikovsky would rebuild the science of celestial mechanics to save the literal accuracy of ancient legends."
It seems that Mr Velikovsky is as selective as you are in choosing what he wants to believe and just like you, avoids the actual evidence.
Velikovsky's revised chronology has been rejected by nearly all mainstream historians and Egyptologists. It was claimed, starting with early reviewers, that Velikovsky's usage of material for proof is often very selective.[40][41][42] In 1965 the leading cuneiformist Abraham Sachs, in a forum at Brown University, discredited Velikovsky's use of Mesopotamian cuneiform sources.[43] Velikovsky was never able to refute Sachs' attack.[44] In 1978, following the much-postponed publication of further volumes in Velikovsky's Ages in Chaos series, the United Kingdom-based Society for Interdisciplinary Studies organised a conference in Glasgow specifically to debate the revised chronology.[45] The ultimate conclusion of this work, by scholars including Peter James, John Bimson, Geoffrey Gammonn, and David Rohl, was that the Revised Chronology was untenable.[46]

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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