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Author Topic:   Ancient Biblical ritual saves MILLIONS of lives
frako
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Message 45 of 98 (720676)
02-26-2014 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Eliyahu
02-25-2014 7:35 AM


And it turns out that this Biblical command is literally a life saver, which has in the last decades saved many millions of lives, by preventing evil diseases, amongst them deadly ones like AIDS.
Yea but you forgot the best ritual to cure leprosy, it really works and these scientists just laugh at the bible how dare they.
Leviticus 14:1-57
Laws for Cleansing Lepers
14 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “This shall be the law of the leprous person for the day of his cleansing. He shall be brought to the priest, 3 and the priest shall go out of the camp, and the priest shall look. Then, if the case of leprous disease is healed in the leprous person, 4 the priest shall command them to take for him who is to be cleansed two live[a] clean birds and cedarwood and scarlet yarn and hyssop. 5 And the priest shall command them to kill one of the birds in an earthenware vessel over fresh water. 6 He shall take the live bird with the cedarwood and the scarlet yarn and the hyssop, and dip them and the live bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the fresh water. 7 And he shall sprinkle it seven times on him who is to be cleansed of the leprous disease. Then he shall pronounce him clean and shall let the living bird go into the open field. 8 And he who is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes and shave off all his hair and bathe himself in water, and he shall be clean. And after that he may come into the camp, but live outside his tent seven days. 9 And on the seventh day he shall shave off all his hair from his head, his beard, and his eyebrows. He shall shave off all his hair, and then he shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and he shall be clean.
10 “And on the eighth day he shall take two male lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb a year old without blemish, and a grain offering of three tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, and one log[d] of oil. 11 And the priest who cleanses him shall set the man who is to be cleansed and these things before the Lord, at the entrance of the tent of meeting. 12 And the priest shall take one of the male lambs and offer it for a guilt offering, along with the log of oil, and wave them for a wave offering before the Lord. 13 And he shall kill the lamb in the place where they kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the place of the sanctuary. For the guilt offering, like the sin offering, belongs to the priest; it is most holy. 14 The priest shall take some of the blood of the guilt offering, and the priest shall put it on the lobe of the right ear of him who is to be cleansed and on the thumb of his right hand and on the big toe of his right foot. 15 Then the priest shall take some of the log of oil and pour it into the palm of his own left hand 16 and dip his right finger in the oil that is in his left hand and sprinkle some oil with his finger seven times before the Lord. 17 And some of the oil that remains in his hand the priest shall put on the lobe of the right ear of him who is to be cleansed and on the thumb of his right hand and on the big toe of his right foot, on top of the blood of the guilt offering. 18 And the rest of the oil that is in the priest's hand he shall put on the head of him who is to be cleansed. Then the priest shall make atonement for him before the Lord. 19 The priest shall offer the sin offering, to make atonement for him who is to be cleansed from his uncleanness. And afterward he shall kill the burnt offering. 20 And the priest shall offer the burnt offering and the grain offering on the altar. Thus the priest shall make atonement for him, and he shall be clean.
21 “But if he is poor and cannot afford so much, then he shall take one male lamb for a guilt offering to be waved, to make atonement for him, and a tenth of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil for a grain offering, and a log of oil; 22 also two turtledoves or two pigeons, whichever he can afford. The one shall be a sin offering and the other a burnt offering. 23 And on the eighth day he shall bring them for his cleansing to the priest, to the entrance of the tent of meeting, before the Lord. 24 And the priest shall take the lamb of the guilt offering and the log of oil, and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the Lord. 25 And he shall kill the lamb of the guilt offering. And the priest shall take some of the blood of the guilt offering and put it on the lobe of the right ear of him who is to be cleansed, and on the thumb of his right hand and on the big toe of his right foot. 26 And the priest shall pour some of the oil into the palm of his own left hand, 27 and shall sprinkle with his right finger some of the oil that is in his left hand seven times before the Lord. 28 And the priest shall put some of the oil that is in his hand on the lobe of the right ear of him who is to be cleansed and on the thumb of his right hand and on the big toe of his right foot, in the place where the blood of the guilt offering was put. 29 And the rest of the oil that is in the priest's hand he shall put on the head of him who is to be cleansed, to make atonement for him before the Lord. 30 And he shall offer, of the turtledoves or pigeons, whichever he can afford, 31 one[e] for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering, along with a grain offering. And the priest shall make atonement before the Lord for him who is being cleansed. 32 This is the law for him in whom is a case of leprous disease, who cannot afford the offerings for his cleansing.”
I wonder why doctors don just preform this ritual to heal the lepers why do they insist on giving them the unholy dapsone and rifampicin cures. And it takes 6 months boy are scientist idiots for not listening to the bible.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 52 of 98 (720726)
02-27-2014 6:04 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Eliyahu
02-27-2014 2:11 AM


We're not talking about leprosy, but about circumcision, which has recently saved millions of lives, and prevented untold human suffering, and is still saving lives on a mega scale right now.
Well you put this argument forward as a means to lend support to the bible i just showed you that there are pointless rituals there too. And even a blind chicken finds a grain of corn every now and then.
Leviticus says that a leper must be quarantined: But if the priest examines it and there is no white hair in the spot and if it is not more than skin deep and has faded, then the priest is to isolate them for seven days. Lev 13:26
Yea because lepers are icky icky, but sadly for you not contagious, you can catch it if you come in to REPEATED contact with nose and mouth droplets of an infected individual.
so yeah:
When they were positively identified as being lepers, they had to live outside the camp, without contact with normal society: Anyone with such a defiling disease must wear torn clothes, let their hair be unkempt, cover the lower part of their face and cry out, ‘Unclean! Unclean!’ 46 As long as they have the disease they remain unclean. They must live alone; they must live outside the camp. Ibid
Thats does not sound very nice now does it
So lepers were cast out of society. That was not the case in other nations/peoples. Even in 1856 in Norway, there were still living 2,858 lepers along the North Sea coast, especially around the city of Bergen. They made a living by selling their products on the market, and traveling along the houses as peddlers, selling their stuff, and spreading their disease. When the government opened special clinics for them and isolated them, their numbers started to dwindle. When in 1891 they were forced to live in total isolation, there was great protest and riots against that decision, but their numbers went down again. In 1930, before medication was developed against leprosy, their numbers had gone down to only 2% of their original numbers. A fifty fold reduction in just 80 years, because at last, they decided to do what was written in the Torah 3300 years ago.
If only your god was a bit nicer and said lepers need to cover their nose and mouth with a cloth so many people wouldn't have to be shunned.
And not only against leprosy. In the dark Middle Ages the black death wiped out between one fourth and one third of the world population. In those days there was in the Jewish ghetto a doctor, Balavignus. Because of his Torah knowledge he concluded that the unhygienic circumstances in the city were the cause of the plague. In 1348 he ordered the whole Jewish neighborhood too be cleansed and garbage to be burned. He did everything what is demanded by the ritual purity laws of Leviticus. Because of that, the rats with their flees who passed on the plague bacillus, left the Jewish quarters, and moved on to the Gentile neighborhoods, because by the Jews there was nothing more to get for them. Then in the Jewish quarter the deaths from the black death were only 5% of those in Gentile neighborhoods. The Gentiles soon saw the difference, but in stead of copying the Jewish laws, they accused Balavignus of being one of the main suspects of spreading the plague in Europe.
Jewsi deaths where always lower for the plague then Christians, simply because Jews kept their food more secure from rats.
So you might now understand why no scientist is laughing at the Bible. In fact, a German historian of medicine and professor at the University of Leipzig, Karl Sudhoff, (1853-1938) wrote about those laws: The thirteenth and fourteenth chapter of Leviticus are important documents which deserve to be written in shining gold, because they form the basis of the modern prophylaxis against contagious diseases.
To bad leprosy isn't contagious.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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frako
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Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
Joined: 09-04-2010


Message 60 of 98 (720878)
02-28-2014 5:56 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Eliyahu
02-28-2014 2:07 AM


And that's what is called "contagious".
Yea but it can be minimized to zero if you just put a cloth over the mouth and nose. No need to shun lepers.
You think it would have been nicer to let a lot of other people be infected??
Nope if god would just say if your a leper tie a rag around your head so that it covers the mouth and nose the problem would be solved. Without shunning people. Making them scream unclean unclean and whatnot.
God did one, and also the other.
The protection of healthy people is the most important.
Anyone with such a defiling disease must wear torn clothes, let their hair be unkempt, cover the lower part of their face and cry out, ‘Unclean! Unclean!’ 46 As long as they have the disease they remain unclean. They must live alone; they must live outside the camp."
Lev 13:45
Yea so apart from being shunned, they shouldn't groom themselves and cry out unclean. When a simle cloth would solve the problem, they could go in to the camp with it noo one would get infected, they could prepare the food for the entire camp and no one would get infected ....
And because of Biblical quarantine of victims.
Nope it wasn't a quarantine it was shunning, as a quarantine was not needed. They just wanted to make them feel as bad as possible for they must have done something terrible to be cursed by god in that way.
Giving it over to others through saliva and nasal mucus is what is called "contagious".
Yea but wiki says " Often the word can only be understood in context, where it is used to emphasise very infectious, easily transmitted, or especially severe communicable disease"
Its not very infectious, its actually hard to catch it its not one nose droplet and your out kind of infectious. It does not spread trough contact, or air,...
An all knowing all powerful god could have given way better instructions and no one would get sick, and no one would get shunned. How would you feel if you had to live alone on the outskirts of of your town. Hoping that some genorus soul would toss away some scraps in your direction so you may eat this week.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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frako
Member (Idle past 368 days)
Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
Joined: 09-04-2010


Message 61 of 98 (720879)
02-28-2014 6:08 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Eliyahu
02-28-2014 2:09 AM


Bs'd
Look a little into the hygiene standards of Europe in the middle ages. Then you'll know better.
would that be during the dark ages, when religion ruled supreme. You try looking a bit earlier during the time of the Roman empire.
Romans loved to bathe, there are Roman baths all over Europe some still standing the way they where some modernised, we have a bunch in my country.
Romans preformed brain surgery, not knowing basic hygiene preforming such operations would be a death sentence, though it wasn't.
they had sewer systems, while in the dark ages they just threw the shit on to the street.
They had public latrines.
Acuaducts bringing water in to houses......
But then came the dark ages when Christianity said, you only need one book, and lets write it in Latin just to be sure the common rabble do sent find out how silly it is.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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