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Author Topic:   Ancient Biblical ritual saves MILLIONS of lives
Coyote
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Message 29 of 98 (720651)
02-25-2014 11:12 PM


The unkindest cut of all...
The term for this in anthropology is "ritual genital mutilation."
Any correlation between circumcision and arid regions where there is insufficient water for bathing (or cultures which did not emphasize bathing). Hmmmm.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

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Message 38 of 98 (720665)
02-26-2014 1:47 AM


Some statistics
From Wiki:
Penile cancer is a rare cancer in developed nations with annual incidence varying from 0.3 to 1 per 100,000 per year.
The lifetime risk has been estimated as 1 in 1,437 in the United States and 1 in 1,694 in Denmark.
This year, an estimated 1,570 men in the United States will be diagnosed with penile cancer. An estimated 310 deaths from the disease will occur this year.
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About 1 in 8 (12%) women in the US will develop invasive breast cancer during their lifetime.
The chance that breast cancer will be responsible for a woman's death is about 1 in 36.
The American Cancer Society's estimates for breast cancer in the United States for 2014 are:
--About 232,670 new cases of invasive breast cancer will be diagnosed in women.
--About 62,570 new cases of carcinoma in situ (CIS) will be diagnosed (CIS is non-invasive and is the earliest form of breast cancer).
--About 40,000 women will die from breast cancer.
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232,670 cases and 40,000 deaths! We have to do something!
Off with all breasts! We can't take any chances!
To be serious: if these statistics are correct, it shows that the hysteria over penile cancer is just an effort to promote a religious belief in ritual genital mutilation on anyone and everyone. The death rate from penile cancer seems to be far below that of pedestrians (4,280) and half that of bicyclists (618). And the death rate from breast cancer is far higher--about 125 times higher--but we don't have the same call for removing breasts as we do for removing foreskins.
Maybe some folks should just practice their religions in private and leave the rest of us alone.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

  
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Message 55 of 98 (720861)
02-28-2014 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Eliyahu
02-28-2014 12:49 AM


And why did the Jews figure out what was very beneficial, like circumcision on the eight day, and could no other culture figure out what was so beneficial?
Maybe many other cultures, not living in desert areas, practiced better hygiene?
Native Americans, for example, used the sweat lodge on a daily basis.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Message 84 of 98 (721667)
03-11-2014 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Eliyahu
03-11-2014 12:41 AM


You've got to be kidding!???
You're citing Velikovsky as a source, and you expect someone to accord you (or him) any credibility?
You might as well cite von Dniken, or Mickey Mouse.
Why can't you follow the evidence for a change?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 98 of 98 (721799)
03-12-2014 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Eliyahu
03-12-2014 1:33 AM


Did you read the book? Or are you just ranting about something you know nothing about?
BfD
I'm an archaeologist, so I know something about dating.
You, on the other hand, seem to be a religious zealot so you follow belief rather than evidence. That's not a very commendable trait and not a very secure basis for correcting others.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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