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Topic: Potential falsifications of the theory of evolution
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 63 of 968 (588350)
10-24-2010 10:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 62 by AZPaul3
10-24-2010 10:08 AM
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Re: Has any evidence been found yet?
The newest "final nail-in-the-coffin" of the TOE about to come charging onto the scene appears to be the development of instinct. And all too often the proof (as in an unspecified pnt) is based on false information and legend.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: I would focus on "potential falsifications"
First, welcome to EvC. I could use some help understanding your post though. You poted:
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Another thing:
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SCIENTIFICALLY PROVE ANY THEORY OF THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE. Here is why:
There is no way to Observe the origin of the universe, and all science is based on Observation and Experimentation, so the ToE is not really a Scientific theory, but rather it is another scientifically non-provable world religion, with Mother Nature as the Deity!
What does the origin of the Universe have to do with the Theory of Evolution? Why can't the origin of the Universe be observed? What makes the ToE a religion? What makes you think any Theory is proven?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: I would focus on "potential falsifications"
Michael McBride writes: jar writes: What does the origin of the Universe have to do with the Theory of Evolution? My fault, it doesnt mention it Okay, so that has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution or how it might be falsified. Is that correct?
Michael McBride writes: jar writes: Why can't the origin of the Universe be observed? time travel hasn't been invented yet But things that happened in the past leave behind evidence. Is that correct?
Michael McBride writes: jar writes: What makes the ToE a religion? it is not founded on any solid scientific evidence, so faith in nature's power to gradually create has to exist. What makes you think it is not founded on solid scientific evidence? Why is faith in natures' power to create needed?
Michael McBride writes: jar writes: What makes you think any Theory is proven? if a theory has been proven, it is then no longer a theory CIP: Newton's first lawWhat makes you think any Theory is proven? if a theory has been proven, it is then no longer a theory CIP: Newton's first law Did you know that no scientific theory or law is ever proven? All scientific theories and laws are held tentatively. That is in fact why science works.
Michael McBride writes: And: pay attention to ndfdn difn teijwfo! Not sure how that is related. Can you explain it for me? One last thing. What do any of the issues you raise have to do with potential falsification of the Theory of Evolution?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Population genetics?
It certainly doesn't support Sanford and ReMine's claims that population genetics makes an earth less than 10,00 years old and a literal genesis with created kinds more plausible than evolution. Is it possible to get a smaller population than one man and one woman?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Do you have to work at making Christians look stupid?
AlphaOmegaKid writes: Taq writes: Also, why isn't there genetic entropy in the wild populations? Shouldn't we be seeing the same decrease in fitness in the wild populations as seen in the captive populations according to MA? What do you think endangered species are? I think they say something like us mean ole humans have led to the near extinction of 25% of all the known vetebrate species. You guys are usually sympathetic to this data. But isn't that survival of the fittest? What's the big deal if we (the fittest) cause extinctions of others. Isn't that the way of nature? Remember, there is no absolute right or wrong here. And why can't they adapt. I mean we've supposedly been thru all kinds of extinction events. So what's the big deal. Man wasn't around for any of those. Mean ole nature did it. But the fact remains that many species are going extinct. I rest that there is ample evidence of genetic entropy on this earth. And it is clearly evident in the small endangered populations. They are full of negative mutations, and have very low fertility rates. I'm sorry but does making Christians look stupid just come naturally to you or do you have to work at it? Is there a difference between die of natural causes and being killed? They can't adapt because WE changed the environment and change it faster than they can adapt. Further, how do endangered species exhibit natural selection? You already said that most endangered species are the result of man changing the environment. And absolute right and wrong really are irrelevant. We can also determine right and wrong and fortunately, we have evolved to the point that we can see that creating endangered species by our voluntary actions is wrong.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Can you post anything relevant?
And the evidence for that is ... ? And even if true, what does that have to do with the topic or the absolute FACT that the Biblical Flood never happened?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Must you continue to make Christians look stupid?
Sheesh. No one has ever said there have not been floods. Certainly there was a time when the surface of the earth was too hot for standing water. Certainly, as the surface cooled the water that had been suspended in the atmosphere condensed out. Was it "A Flood"? Nope. It was lots of floods over a very extended period. BUT as usual, that has nothing to do with the topic, would not in any way falsify the theory of evolution or add any support to the Biblical Flood. Try to at least bring up things that might be related to the subject.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 264 of 968 (591662)
11-15-2010 12:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 263 by Panda
11-15-2010 11:34 AM
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Re: Must you continue to make Christians look stupid?
I don't think he is lying, or that such a charge is warranted at all. He is simply ignorant of what science actually says and what evidence actually is.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 267 of 968 (591675)
11-15-2010 12:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 265 by Panda
11-15-2010 12:22 PM
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Re: Must you continue to make Christians look stupid?
Not at all. You make the mistake of thinking "he knows when he gets things wrong" when in fact, I imagine he knows that he is right. Remember, he comes from a training regimen that requires taught him that if one thing in the Bible is not factually true, then it is all false.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: More questions
And it still has nothing to do with the topic; just another attractive rabbit hole.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Potential falsifications
Kaichos Man writes: You see, if it was science, it would be quite straightforward. But your dealing with faith here. The religion of atheism. Why do you continue to post things you know are false and have been refuted over and over again? The Theory of Evolution has no connection to either Atheism or Faith and you have been shown conclusive evidence that falsifies that assertion. In case you have a short term memory problem I once again refer you to the Clergy Project Letter where over 13,000 Clergy endorse the Theory of Evolution. It appears that you really don't understand falsification at all. For example, a documented case of Special Creation would falsify the Theory of Evolution, but of course, no such event has ever been placed in evidence. Your example (in addition to simply misrepresenting the facts) does not. You even admit in your post that some examples of transitional fossils exist. I understand that your normal tactic is classic hit-n-run and not to engage in honest discussion and fully expect to see you return in the future and once again make the claim that Evolution is an Atheist religion. It is a shame that a culture of Ethics seems foreign to you.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 306 of 968 (593468)
11-27-2010 9:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 305 by Panda
11-27-2010 9:53 AM
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Re: Potential falsifications
Read the rest of the post. I use it as a stepping stone to describe what would be falsification and as an example of actual falsification.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 370 of 968 (599983)
01-11-2011 8:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 368 by shadow71
01-11-2011 7:59 PM
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Micro vs Macro
Micro and Macro, just like species itself, is simply a human construct used for record keeping. It is an after the fact label we stick on things to make communication easier. The process though is exactly the same for both.
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The losers
I often hear that Humans are more intelligent than the Gorilla. But one:
- never seems in a hurry.
- spends his day eating and playing with the kids.
- has his women folk about him.
- takes a nap every day.
- never worries about what to wear.
- never worries about budgets or taxes.
- has never gone to war.
- doesn't much care what the neighbors think.
- is never late for work.
- has never heard kids asking "What's for dinner"?
- doesn't have to block out channels on the remote.
I have a feeling that just maybe, when they were handing out intelligence, the Gorillas and Humans flipped a coin. We lost.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 556 of 968 (601490)
01-20-2011 8:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 555 by shadow71
01-20-2011 8:55 PM
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Re: Shapiro's use of the word "intelligent"
"Cognitive systems" not cognition.
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