Obama supports Ground Zero mosque. Religious freedom or is he being too PC?

I don't find it contradictory at all. I agree. Why not. There is a bunch of crazy Christians out there. We don't self police ourselves, so who is to blame? How to we differentiate? Woa, I am not blanketing all Muslims. I do admit, that I am ignorant as to how to tell the difference between a good Muslim, and a bad one. If it were Christians we were talking about, I would feel more confident in discerning. The problem is, this time, that there is a large group of people accusing them of something, and it needs to be cleared up. I am not saying we should do this all the time. But it is easily argued that those Christians are clearly not following their religion. In the Koran it clearly states that a Muslim must kill those that will not follow. There is a big difference. But that is not the whole picture, or the whole argument, that is only it in a nut shell.Bullshit. I have identified several in my time. It's not hard once the talking starts. If I thought they were up to something, I would report them. It doesn't seem to me like there is enough of that going on with Muslims. They hide among themselves. Some of it is fear driven, so I can't say that I totally blame them. No where does it say that you should stone a child. That's OT shit. I sure can, it's my right, and I'm not being prejudice, or bigoted for doing so. I do not assume they are guilty first. Muslims expect sensitivity when we are in their countries, why is it not being reciprocated? It raises a flag.Why do you think apologetics exists? People are associated with religion all the time. The second I say I am a Christian, the ax falls on certain subjects. That's life, get over it. If they are clean, then there is nothing to worry about, and they can build their Mosque where ever they want.A problem exists, and it needs to be resolved. I am totally for them being able to build it there, but I have no way of knowing what there honest intentions are.It's like when people in here accused Christians of exploiting people, when they go to poor countries to feed them. Those same people have no problem with the Mosque though. This just proves their prejudice towards Christianity.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

*Blink* You did not just say that did you?So, since I don't carry anything illegal in my car or my house I should support them being able to search my house and car at will? Are you willing to give them permission to search you, your home, and your property any time?I could have sworn it's the conservatives that's been crying bloody murder over rights we supposedly lost under Comrade Obama. Speaking of which, which rights have I lost under Obama?

You are sacrificing our safety, and our freedom just to dis-agree with me. That is what it seems. I agree that there is plenty of hate groups in America (as I pointed out already) and it is well within their right to do so. But we are at war jar. And when you are at war, you don't let the enemy set up camp in your fucking house.We should have let the Germans build their first jets back in WW2 here, because there is the constitution..... Hitler could have gave is speeches on the white house lawn too.

No you retard. Make a valid comparison please.
If someone said you were carrying something, wouldn't you expect to be searched? Get over it.Your neighbor can report you to social services, and you bet your ass you would be under a full investigation, whether you like it or not.You don't read what I write, I explained it all already. Go back and read again...Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

What's your address? I'm going to tell them you got half a pound of drugs hidden up your butt.

Highly ok.
The first two are complete idiots, the third is half-2/3rds an idiot IMO. They disrupt the coutry with there stupidness.

I'll just tell them I got it from you, and that you smuggled 10 times that amount in your ass.

The point is, that is not ok either Taz. If you make a story like that, then you are just harassing, like the people who are against building the Mosque. They are at fault, if there is nothing wrong with the Muslims building the Mosque, and they should suffer some kind of repercussion for it. Look at what they are putting these poor people through.I also want to add, that I have been discussing this with friends and family, and I am quite surprised at how people feel. All of my liberal friends and family had something to say about it. Just about everyone had something to say about it. Actually for the first time, I feel separated from a group of people(friends and family) on an issue, and it bothers me. I am a bit confused.

You ever actually read the bible?Deuteronomy 17:12Exodus 22:19Deuteronomy 13:13-19Deuteronomy 13:7-12Leviticus 24:10-16Romans 1:24-32{ABE}
Wow, I edited out my "that's the old testament" remark before fully reading your post. Sorry bud, you either accept it all or accept none of it. Without the OT, jesus is pixie dust.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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Your god believes in Unicorns

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1, building a shrine to celebrate the terrorist attacks on ground zero is not a far fetched idea.

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Says who? Crazy bigots who attack Muslims like Bill Keller? Why should we accept their paranoia as standard behaviour? Since we've never had such a problem like that here in the US ever, what makes you think something new is taking place?Especially since it is much more likely that Christians would be the ones doing such a thing?Remember, the place is being funded by the #2 shareholder of News Corp...you know...Fox. And the imam there is the one the Bush Administration reached out to in order to be their liaison. What is fueling your panic attack?

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2, where the hell did all that money come from?

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Fox. It came from Fox. Are you saying that Fox News is actually a Muslim conspiracy?

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With all the attention they are getting, and the accusations, doesn't it just make good sense to make sure they are for real, and harmless?

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And given all the paranoia you're displaying, doesn't it just make good sense to make sure that you, too, are harmless? After all, it's the Christians just like you who are the ones most likely to cause widespread violence here in the United States. How many more delusional Christians have to attack innocent Muslims before we should start watching all of you?

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It would be stupid to not check them out.

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Without any particular reason, it would be idiotic to do so for it would set the precedent that the government has any business in being the paranoid lunatic you seem to want it to be.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

Hi, riVeRrat.You know, I never told you that I was a riverrat when I was a kid.That's what they called folks who lived in the Bottoms, the flood plain between Eagle Creek and White River in Naptown; blacks and white trash, mostly. Funny, huh?Anyway, so, no, I don't mean: I don't really want Beck, Limbaugh and Palin investigated; I don't really want you investigated. I don't want anyone investigated-- unless they personally have done something to merit investigation. I think we all have that right.When people make the kind of argument I'm making to you, they're asking you to imagine being subject to investigations, with all the public and private contumny and shame that entails, for no other reason than who you are. Or imagine it happens to your children. Your mother. Your wife. Whoever you need to imagine in that situation before the painful travesty of it is clear to you.That's all. I'm glad to see you're still here. You're the only other riverrat I've met online.

If he has half a pound of drugs up his ass, he's mine.

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Have you ever been to an American wedding? Where's the vodka? Where's the marinated herring?!
-Gogol Bordello

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It is a terrorists job to hide in plain sight.

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That's why so many Christians get away with it. The typical US terrorist is a white, Christian male.Just like you, riVeRraT.

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(not saying he is one or isn't)

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Bullshit. That's precisely what you are saying.Otherwise, why would you be so paranoid about it? Why aren't you protesting Bill Keller's little endeavour? He comes from a violent religion that has a long history of terrorist attacks here in the United States. Why aren't you concerned about him?

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But like I was saying to jar, it makes sense to investegate further to calm everyone down.

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Let's not play dumb, shall we? Since the Bush Administration already investigated and you're still paranoid about him, what more information could possibly be brought forward that would get you to calm down? You're calling him a sleeper terrorist ("It is a terrorists [sic] job to hide in plain sight.")

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WTF is the problem?

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Constitutional violations of fundamental rights to be left alone and be free from governmental intrusion.

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If they are clean, they have nothing to worry about.

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And that's why you allow everybody to observe absolutely every single moment of your life without ever demanding privacy, right? You record every single moment and send it to the government, right? I'm sure you'll feel perfectly fine in having me "investigate" you to ensure that you're not hiding something, right? After all, you're a white, male Christian.The most likely source of terrorism in the US.

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People get investigated all the dam time, over stupid shit.

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And it's wrong every single time.

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there obviously is a stir, and it should be governments job to calm the people down. Make sure, this way there can be no " I told you so"

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He already has. By people much more likely to fly off the handle over imagined things.What more could you possibly learn that will assuage your paranoia?

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

Of course people have something to say about it.I have pointed out many times that not everything has a moral value, but people tend to assign a moral value to everything. We live in a day and age when people have an opinion on everything.This is why I often encourage people not to have an opinion on everything. People need to understand that there are just some things that can really do without their opinion.For example, when we bought our house we really appreciated that some people managed to refrain from giving their opinion whether it was a good decision or not. And in an ideal world, those of us who have nothing to do with the muslim community should refrain from having an opinion on whether they could or couldn't build the mosque right there. It's none of our business.That said, I completely agree with the person earlier in this thread that said they ought to be able to hang a big poster of a cartoon drawing of the prophet mohammed. In fact, If I was living anywhere near NY I would have considered doing that myself.

You are not at war with Muslims. You are at war with Muslim terrorists. These two groups are not equivalent, as you agreed above.So, why are you aggressive towards somebody you are not in conflict with? And why do you on one hand agree that not all Muslims are terrorist, yet on the other imply that you are at war with all Muslims?