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Author Topic:   Obama supports Ground Zero mosque. Religious freedom or is he being too PC?
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Message 10 of 406 (574298)
08-15-2010 9:16 AM


Osam bin Laden wins
We look at Britain in WWII, after the onslaught of the Battle of Britain. And we see Churchill (who was a conservative), saying words to the effect of
We are the proud and free
We are the British
Press on regardless.
And the British did press on, and the enemy was defeated.
And now we look at USA after 9/11, which was a far smaller event than the Battle of Britain. And what was our response? In effect, it was:
Let us cower in terror in our bunkers.
Let us be afraid to travel.
Let us dismantle our constitution out of our fear.
Let us dismantle habeas corpus out of our fear.
Let us abandon our constitutional prohibition of torture.
Let us abandon our constitutional freedom of religion.
Osama wins, but not because he methods were effective. Osama wins because we are a nation of cowards, who abandon principle after a minor provocation. Osama wins because we are a nation of fools, who abandon common sense and move into the irrationality of mob rule.

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Message 46 of 406 (574577)
08-16-2010 6:07 PM


This Salon report gives some background on how the current controversy started.

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Message 72 of 406 (575284)
08-19-2010 10:13 AM
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08-19-2010 8:42 AM


riVeRraT writes:
I think we as Americans should embrace the idea, and show the rest of the world that we can just get along.
I completely agree.

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Message 164 of 406 (576330)
08-23-2010 6:05 PM
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08-23-2010 5:51 PM


onifre writes:
I was trying to show how some consider offending Muslims and edit episodes, but Muslims, in this case of the mosque, have not considered not building the mosque when they are offending many people.
How do you know that the Muslims have not seriously considered this, but decided that on balance it will be best to build?
How do you know that this will be "offending many people"? Maybe it is just political theater, and relatively few people will really be offended.

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Message 167 of 406 (576333)
08-23-2010 6:10 PM
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08-23-2010 6:05 PM


onifre writes:
Or... fuck everyone's sensitive issues, get over it, and expect to be offended plenty in life. Which is how I see it.
It is good to see that the real onifre is back. I wonder who was that obviously fake substitute.

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Message 172 of 406 (576355)
08-23-2010 8:35 PM


Uncle Jay explains this very well.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 188 of 406 (576556)
08-24-2010 2:00 PM
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08-24-2010 1:24 PM


onifre writes:
Those who Comedy Central considered when they pulled the episode.
I really don't see the relevance.
The folk at Comedy Central got to choose whether to show that episode.
The folk proposing the Islamic cultural center in New York get to decide whether to build their cultural center.
That freedom of choice is what America is all about.
So now we see a ridiculous hullabaloo, with politicians fanning the flames of racism, bigotry and hatred, all for totally political reasons. They are using mob psychology in very dangerous way.

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Message 192 of 406 (576560)
08-24-2010 2:13 PM
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08-24-2010 2:04 PM


onifre writes:
Comedy Central said they considered the feelings of Muslims who would get offended.
It is more likely that they felt the heat coming from cable TV operators who were afraid of a negative reaction from their viewers.
Edited by nwr, : typo

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Message 367 of 406 (580081)
09-07-2010 3:13 PM
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09-07-2010 12:14 PM


Re: Koran burning in Fl
Rahvin writes:
The "Dove World Outreach Church" plans to reach out to the world on 9/11/10 by holding a good old-fashioned book-burning, and their target is specifically the Koran.
Clearly, they are announcing to the world that Christianity is a religion of hatred, bigotry and book burning.
Yes, I agree that free speech gives them the constitutional right to do this. But it doesn't give them the moral right.
I am wondering when Christianity decided to abandon the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 369 of 406 (580085)
09-07-2010 3:42 PM
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09-07-2010 3:37 PM


Re: Koran burning in Fl
nwr writes:
I am wondering when Christianity decided to abandon the teachings of Jesus.
cavediver writes:
Around the time Paul got involved?
Too true.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 371 of 406 (580088)
09-07-2010 4:50 PM


Summary
I am not a fan of Islam. Likewise, I am not a fan of fundamentalist Christianity.
I am a fan of the first amendment, and it is clear that they have the right to build their center.
The campaign against the center is mostly political theater, orchestrated by the crazies.

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