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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I see no indication that those building the place are insensitive. I don't see them saying that the folks that are upset should not speak out or that they don't understand that folk are upset.
Perhaps not insensitive, just arrogant.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
How is it insensitive? How is it any different then all the other building that get built despite there being some opposition? It's all about symbolism. There was the symbolism of Arabs dancing in the streets when the towers were destroyed. Now there is the symbolism of building a mosque on the same location. Are you aware that Muslims built a mosque on the site of a Catholic church in Cordoba to celebrate the Muslim conquest of Spain? That was the same type of symbolism. How is it that you can't see this? And are so insensitive toward those who can? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Did anyone notice the name?
I posted the information about building a mosque on the church in Cordoba, Spain as a symbol of taking that territory. Is it just a coincidence that this mosque is also named Cordoba? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
No, it's named Cordoba precisely in reference to the Spanish community of Cordoba, which was for centuries a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-habited peacefully. From a BBC website: The alternative view to the Golden Age of Tolerance is that Jews and Christians were severely restricted in Muslim Spain, by being forced to live in a state of 'dhimmitude'. (A dhimmi is a non-Muslim living in an Islamic state who is not a slave, but does not have the same rights as a Muslim living in the same state.) Thanks, but no thanks. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
And what is the evidence for that "alternative view", aside from anti-Muslim animus?
dhimmitude... Look it up. I for one choose not to live under such rules. Nor any other form of religious fundamentalism. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
dhimmitude... Look it up. That's a word in English. Why do you think it describes something that happened in medieval Spain? Dhimmitude is a neologism first found in French denoting an attitude of concession, surrender and appeasement towards Islamic demands. Source. Check it out. You might learn something. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
So, why are you aggressive towards somebody you are not in conflict with? And why do you on one hand agree that not all Muslims are terrorist, yet on the other imply that you are at war with all Muslims?
It might help if fewer Muslims were issuing fatwas and vowing to destroy the Great Satan; video of folks dancing in the street when the trade towers went down didn't help. Then there are the recent reports of rapes of non-Muslims and killings of Christians in Muslim areas in several areas of the world. And don't forget the violent riots around the world because of the cartoons depicting their prophet. If Muslims truly are not aggressive towards non-Muslims, and a religion of peace, perhaps they should start acting like it sometime??? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Who is the enemy? This guy, for one:
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) — A well-known Australian Muslim cleric has called for the beheading of Dutch anti-Islamic politician Geert Wilders, a newspaper said on Friday. ... Source Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I'm sorry but exactly how is that person "The Enemy"? Take a wild guess. Really stretch your imagination and see if you can come up with some reason. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Taz and Hundard strike me as people with their heads on straight. I would not have expected them to be so hateful, which led me to wonder if they truly understood the significance of such an action.
Many of us found the 9/11 events pretty hateful as well, and are aware that those attacks were inspired by a particular religious belief and the hatred it engendered. Sometimes we wonder why we should worry overmuch about the sensitivities of the parent group that promulgates those beliefs and that hatred. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
But the western mind has little appreciation for such foreign history and its effects on culture. Seems the Muslim mind has little appreciation for such things as well. Running airplanes into buildings and a host of other actions from various Muslim strongholds around the world have caused a lot of the problems Muslims are now facing in the US. Many people don't want to see what is happening in France, with no-go areas reserved for Muslims only, happen here. Nor do people appreciate how much other religious are violently treated when Muslims become dominant. Examples of this are easy to find. Sensitivity/diversity is a two-way street. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Let me repeat: Sensitivity/diversity is a two-way street.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
quote: So why do you only complain when Muslims do it? Where is your outrage when Christians do it? I do. But that would be off topic on this thread. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
There are a lot of countries in Africa and elsewhere where they don't burn bibles, they burn the whole churches.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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