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Author Topic:   Obama supports Ground Zero mosque. Religious freedom or is he being too PC?
Theodoric
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Message 17 of 406 (574307)
08-15-2010 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Hyroglyphx
08-15-2010 8:14 AM


It's an insulting gesture to many Americans, something akin to:
1. Building a statue of Hitler at Auschwitz
2. Building a GWB monument in Bagdad
3. Building a Benihana at Pearl Harbor
There are already Mosques within blocks of ground zero.
The comparisons are nothing like a mosque. That Godwin needs no explanation. Neither should the War criminal. Last I heard GWB had no been raised to godhood yet.
There is a Japanese restaurant that practically overlooks Pearl Harbor.
Though not your material, you used it. The material is not relevant and as we can see not even accurate.
ABE
Should we ban christian churches from around the Murrah building too?
Edited by Theodoric, : Forgot point

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Theodoric
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Message 37 of 406 (574379)
08-15-2010 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by slevesque
08-15-2010 1:50 PM


That's right Timothy McVeigh only killed 168, and Eric Rudolph only killed 2. Though both did injure hundreds. I suppose Scott Roeder and the other abortion provider clinics don't count either.
I wont even go into the ancient history of the 1980's and earlier.

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Theodoric
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Message 41 of 406 (574386)
08-15-2010 3:48 PM
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08-15-2010 3:43 PM


Gee, maybe you can learn something and do a quick google at least.
Yes their motivations were their christian beliefs.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Message 42 of 406 (574388)
08-15-2010 3:52 PM
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08-15-2010 3:38 PM


Not my statistics
So you post a link with purported statistics and now you refuse to even vouch for their accuracy. That must be against some sort of rule. How about you look at how the came up with the statistics and let us know if they are accurate. Until then I guess I will just have to assume that they are just bullshit.

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Message 44 of 406 (574391)
08-15-2010 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Minnemooseus
08-15-2010 4:04 PM


Re: The "picture worth a thousand words" concept here
You beat me to it. I just read the post and was coming back to post it.
This graphic is a great representation of the situation.

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Theodoric
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Message 47 of 406 (574621)
08-16-2010 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by slevesque
08-15-2010 3:11 PM


More issues with this post
You are presenting these points as if they are from the author of the article.
None of these points are in the article.
In the article the word married is not used. Nothing about home at all. All of these points come from the second link you provided not the first article. The second link has a list of a number of things that are separate and not from the article or a book by the same author. This link is from a website from a born againer. You can tell from her description of herself that the site is rife with bias.
So therefore in the post where you criticized me for expecting you to stand behind your post and you claim this info came from a researcher.
How can I vouch for their accuracy, when I'm not the one who did the research ? However, Philip Jenkins is professor of history and religious studies at Penn State University, he wrote a book about ''The myth of the pedophile priest'' as he calls it.
Now I find out that none of this came from him. These claims are from a Father Dwight Longenecker. There are a number of problems with your post. First of all you present the points as your own. They are not. Yes you post a link to the place where you got them, but you should have put them in a quote box so that readers could see they were not you points. Then you presented info as if it came from university professor and from his book. The good father is being very deceptive in claiming that these points came from Mr. Jenkins book. I would actually call it lying. That is why I questioned your source. I see you have no idea what the original source even said. So how about you go find support for the statements made by Longenecker.
There are 2 references to ephebophilia(notice how it is spelled) in Mr. Jenkins' book. Neither says homosexuals are more prone to it. You should no better than to post crap as some sort of authoritative source.
Oh how do I know what is in the book? I did something called research.
http://www.amazon.com/...sis/dp/0195145976#reader_0195145976
You might want to try it before you jump all over someone for asking for you to defend a spurious source you use.
The burden of proof is on you to show any legitimate reason to think his research is bullshit. Until then you are just showing your bias.
Gee it ain't his research you palmed off. Your post clearly showed your bias. I certainly am not showing any. All I want is facts. Go ahead and show me that the statements are backed by factual evidence. That is all I want.
PS.
Cut and pastes not put in a quote box are rarely a good idea.

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Theodoric
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Message 154 of 406 (576295)
08-23-2010 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Huntard
08-23-2010 3:25 PM


Mosques
I have been in a couple of Mosques in Jerusalem. most notably Al Aqsa.
ABE
I get it. He made a typo
In some parts of the world, especially in the Middle East, Mosques only allow non-Muslims in.
At least I hope it is a typo.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Message 245 of 406 (577533)
08-29-2010 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Tram law
08-29-2010 12:20 PM


Distorted view of McVeigh
He was and admitted to be greatly influenced by the "Turner Diaries", which is a tome of the christian identity movement.
Here are some other views of McVeigh.
quote:
All this text discloses is that McVeigh distanced himself from Catholicism, not Christianity. It also reveals that he did not want to discuss his faith further because he knew most people would find it repulsive. What was repulsive about his faith? Was he an atheist? No. Was he a secular humanist? No.
Source
quote:
But the following several pages establish pretty clearly McVeigh’s roots and inspiration in the Christian Identity movement, which is based on racial supremacy and Biblical law — at least as they manage to read Biblical law. McVeigh had plenty of association with Elohim City, and was a devoted exponent of the Turner Diaries...
So, while those who wish to deny it can make a plausible case that McVeigh is an agnostic, this is not far different from various Muslims denying that Osama bin Laden is a true Muslim. If McVeigh’s act of terror had actually motivated an effective uprising, a series of continuous disruptive terrorist campaigns, they would have arisen in the name of some twisted theory of Aryan Christianity.
Source

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