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brendatucker
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Message 190 of 264 (478042)
08-11-2008 8:53 AM


A messenger to help clarify theosophy
I was 19 years old in 1975 when I joined the Theosophical Society. In 1988, when I was 33, I married my husband and moved to Los Angeles. In April, 1995, when I was 39 and my 2nd child, a son, was 6 months old this idea came to me.
In rethinking who I was and who I was to become, I remembered reading in The theosophical literature the prediction that a messenger would come in the last quarter of the 20th century, just as one had come every century to bring a little bit more of the truth about existence to the world. In trying to find a reference for you to verify this statement I located the following:
That H. P. Blavatsky intended the Movement of her time to be so understood is clear from numerous passages throughout her writings, and from several hints and occasionally forthright statements concerning the coming of another Messenger, one like herself, when the hundred-year cycle of her mission has run its course”that is, in 1975.
That was taken from THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/theosophica%20lmovement.htm
In 1994, I had been waiting almost 20 years for this prophecy to be realized as I had wanted to learn from this new Messenger. Due to the magnitude of my concerns with the girasas kingdom, I decided that if I was to be the person bringing my claims into the public eye, that it would very nearly make me the messenger that she (and others) had proclaimed would come. The only sense I could make out of the "last 25 years of every century" being the ground for this release of "light to the world" regarding myself was that I had joined The Theosophical Society in 1975, lived and worked at the Headquarters from 1977 to 1981, became a life member, married a well-known theosophist from California, and then after the birth of my son, had this type of realization about the work that led to my speaking out on evolution by seven races.
I was terribly disappointed when I didn't even make a dent in the consciousness of people by the year 2000, and now with it being 2008, I feel foolish for having tried to make theosophy more publicly known as if I was the messenger referred to. I should retract everything I said about being a messenger that could help clarify theosophy - except, let me ask: Did it help you?
Edited by brendatucker, : 1994 to 1995

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brendatucker
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Message 193 of 264 (478595)
08-18-2008 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Larni
08-11-2008 10:04 AM


Self Reflection
When I saw “Wicked” for the second time with my father and my husband, it had the effect of characterizing what I liked about my father and finding that my husband also had those same characteristics. They are : funny, kind, instructive, studious, gentle and they deserve as much appreciation for those things as I can lavish onto them.
However, the fact that I began male adoration isn’t easily explained. The main characters in the production were female, my mother and daughter were there also and in fact, we were celebrating my mother’s 80th birthday. Yet, none of that combined into an admiration for female traits.
When do I compile my thoughts for the females in my life in a similar way? Maybe we are all just adoring creatures with little time or interest in assessing our sex. Maybe I am oversimplifying the problems that I have showing others enough love.
Trying to work and not being good at it or not enjoying it is an eye opener. But then I do know women that continue associating in women’s groups (I personally don’t.), and in some way it might be possible to compensate for the lack of interest in women’s roles.
Another concern I have is based on noticing a destructiveness in myself. What makes a person destructive? Is it a natural condition of aging? Do we somehow rationalize that when we become old enough we will self-destruct, and so destructiveness accompanies age? How can we better make use of tendencies that we find existing in ourselves? Can I turn destructiveness into a good thing?
I admit that I have dreamed of destroying the concepts that rage on both sides of this debate. I have aspirations of destroying this debate between creationism and evolution, but it is not for a malicious reason. I want the debate to turn into a more focused intellectual analysis so that I can benefit from listening and turning my mind upon the subjects discussed. I would be very much interested in hearing ideas on how to live better lives by creating a world that would reflect who we are and who we wish to become. In other words, how can interactions between two kingdoms: girasas and human take place.
If I could get people debating this subject, I would be happy about my destructiveness and my eventual ensuing physical death, because I would conclude that it is possible to change through debate, a non-negative, non-abusive use of power.

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brendatucker
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From: West Hills, CA
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Message 194 of 264 (478596)
08-18-2008 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by Larni
08-11-2008 10:16 AM


Re: A messenger to help clarify theosophy
If people could hear these ideas that are found in books currently shuffled out of consideration, would we be better able to make choices concerning whether or not religion is a good thing in life?
We already know that science is a good thing.
Edited by brendatucker, : No reason given.

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brendatucker
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Message 199 of 264 (478725)
08-20-2008 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by Larni
08-19-2008 4:22 AM


Go beyond with me
Well, just for a second now - give me a few words or minutes of your time and try to conceptualize this problem with me.
As I have described, a higher kingdom is penetrating into your thinking - or my thinking - or anyone's thinking and we find out that they want to stay. They are not visiting. They want to make your body and mind their habitat until they can gain in "gravity" enough to make the changes that would produce their form out of ours.
By being in close association with us, they begin to feel more alive - or who can guess what is threatening them on this cyclical turning that forces them into seeking "further ground?"
Let's say you are experiencing this and you are quite accustomed to addressing them (as I have long practiced decrees with which I "pray" or ask for energies to be dispersed. As the decrees are written, I often took time to speak them out loud or "mentally.") and so now without those decrees because we have set the books down, we (either you or I or anyone, Joe Dohn, for example, wish to engage this higher kingdom.
How would we begin? Would there be a struggle? Would you ask permission to address the girasas?
What I need from you and other intellectual giants like yourself(ves) are ideas about how to progress with the scenario that I am describing to you. First, it would be very good, essential, in fact, to lay the groundwork. You don't want to begin making use of the girasas kingdom in some way until you have informed enough others that this is what you are doing. For instance, the results that we achieve after contact can only be reported if we have laid the foundation where people can understand what it is we are discussing and describing as having occurred, i.e. "We can't run the bases in baseball until they have been placed on the diamond."
So I first want to know if I can get time off from involvement with them to be a good mother. How can I ask and get an answer to that question? If my mind's attention is placed upon my children, will it be yanked back into some all-encompassing concern about the girasas kingdom and their needs and wants? How do I define the limits for the partnership and what means do I have to force a point when I find it to be an uncompromising dictate to my participation?
Then, after the mothering is set, what do we ask for? Crime fighting is good. Wealth or finance is another definite area from which to work as is producing cures for physical ailments. I guess I should get to know the exact girasas I am working with as opposed to the others who may have a variety of talents.
Within the "I AM" Temple, there are a myriad of figures with names and positions, however I'm not sure if I should ask for one of those with whom I am familiar due to them having current positions within another structure. Is it still so fluid (5th race is not a "paired" "binding" relationship) that I can pick and choose for just one task and then turn to a new figure to accomplish the next step?
You have to understand that I keep looking for miracles to happen, for light to burst through me somehow and cause an occurrence and then if it does, how can I document it and record it?
What fun is education if we are not allowed to ask the "big questions?" I remember my children's classes spending quite a bit of time on their adventures onto Mars - in space camp and in the classroom they would imagine themselves colonizing and setting up research stations on Mars. What's the difference?

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brendatucker
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Posts: 168
From: West Hills, CA
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Message 203 of 264 (478751)
08-20-2008 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Larni
08-20-2008 6:24 AM


Beyond debate maybe
Religion involves petitioning God or Jesus Christ to accomplish what we cannot accomplish alone.
There is little difference between what I do and what is done in religion except that I am asking scientists for help in "thinking" through the situation whereas religion does not ask science for help - unless they are bent on joining.
If a girasas kingdom is making contact with a group of humans, we could identify the group. And IF THEY ARE MAKING CONTACT BY WRITING BOOKS FOR US TO READ, we could identify the books. But keep in mind, that the process began with one man: Jesus Christ and it will not make a presentation en masse until the time is right. If we have had a few people performing at superior levels, i.e., saints, then we can see that the process is more of a series of isolated events which can be difficult to identify, but taking the words of those who experience something is a start.
I am sorry that the "evidence" does not present itself across the board. I apologize that what happens to a few people is not largely occurring, but if you can reason with yourself why it is occurring this way, perhaps you can lift your strict definition of evidence in order to benefit from the few people who do experience something unique.
There are still people channeling masters. I want to, but I also want there to be a committee or large mass of scientists who can acclimate the events. Lets say one person is showing some remarkable abilities, then the others who do not have the abilities study, record, and otherwise investigate the occurrences to the best of their ability. It is a team effort. Astronauts, for example, are a rare and limited group of individuals. Those who have gone into space on rockets and are still alive are a finite number, considerably smaller than the number of humans alive today. When we study a girasas kingdom and its descent we are approaching a similar prospect to the study of the astronaut.
The evidence is in the work that this person has done and what they claim is happening to them. So let's say that my role is more of that of an "awakener" to the prospect of future adventure and study. Rather than scientists debating religious, we could have scientists inducing conditions in religious for study and these scientists could be asking big questions for the purpose of producing a more even and tempered descent rather than allowing it to occur haphazard, scattered, and under duress.
By the scientist being by the side of the religious person, we are offering them a safe protection, a guiding hand, and a voice of reason. The two could make a great investigative team.
Edited by brendatucker, : No reason given.

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brendatucker
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Message 204 of 264 (478753)
08-20-2008 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Archer Opteryx
08-20-2008 7:19 AM


Girasas come
The danger that lies in meeting a foreign, advanced life form from "outer space" never deterred our scientists from stepping out there.
There is danger, but let's think a minute of what happens to the standards of our society.
We have a strong intellectual standard which gives high esteem, pay, and many forms of support to someone performing with inventions or data analysis in ways that help the rest of us. We love our technology and I doubt if that will change, but we could add an additional standard alongside of the intellectual one.
I am offering the standard of purity which may appeal to this higher kingdom and allow them greater maneuverability within one person when met. By providing a girasas with purity, we allow the heart, mind, and body of the girasas to go deeper into matter. The intellectual task becomes one of deciphering and communicating rather than the manipulation of matter that occurs with current intellectual standards. And the heart of the person becomes of major importance because that heart is being asked to shower forth considerable energy into our economy and culture with communications that make a difference to us all rather than for just the individual.
The person becomes a lightning rod for girasas energy to be released among us. Right now we use the sacrament of the Last Supper in order to encourage further and fuller participating with Christ. Christ asked us to invite the kingdom into us and this is what we can do, but without the information I am providing with this work, who knows what it is we are asking? "Thy kingdom come" means what to the person repeating the words? Let's ask for the kingdom of God to grow. We know it is within us because we were told by Jesus Christ it is. Let's conceive of the girasas and with the girasas. Men become pregnant. Women nurture that spark within you. The love, joy, and peace that we can "know" is many times what a human being is capable of.
Edited by brendatucker, : No reason given.

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brendatucker
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Message 207 of 264 (478777)
08-20-2008 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by New Cat's Eye
08-20-2008 2:34 PM


Education is fun and helpful later in life
Hi.
Would you agree that many people go to a great deal of trouble to involve themselves in this debate at a variety of levels? Would you agree that there are still lawsuits resulting from the pressure that people feel from resistance to admit their "sufferings" from discussion at an educational level?
People suffer when you ridicule their thinking about religion as true.
If we could present books that are told to us to be channeled into existence with strange ideas in them, we could discover a part of ourselves that we didn't know existed. We didn't know we could act as a host to a higher kingdom and that they would (possibly) invade our bodies and occupy themselves with changing us or "evolving" us.
This would be a great educational event to share. Due to the fact that many people go on to explore religion after school years are over, isn't it possible that an open discussion of the "possible" side effects from religious endeavor could benefit people and keep them from making mistakes.
If I hear the idea that there is a higher being at work in me, I don't just go on as usual. I (and maybe there are other people like me) tend to want to communicate and discuss what "we" are going to do, how I can benefit in enlisting the aid of this higher being and how the two of us can make better use of what we are for mutual goals as well as distinct goals.
Be alert to all possibilities. Isn't that a good motto for education?

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brendatucker
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Message 208 of 264 (478786)
08-20-2008 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Larni
08-20-2008 4:11 PM


Re: Beyond debate maybe
I expect that you do not have much fun engaging in this debate because you have very little regard for the truth that people claim to exist in religious books and lifestyles.
Take for instance, Adam as the first man.
Do you see how this new theory of evolution which I call THE SEVEN RACE THEORY can justify that Adam could be the first man "in the fifth root race" which covers the entire earth today and hence is likely what we mean when we use the term human being?
Now I still do not have a concensus on what we can consider to be human. Some groups say that the 4th race was not human. Some groups say that the 4th race is an extinct human, but what do we really mean when we use the word human?
Most scientists see the outer form of the animal and do not consider whether or not there is a gestational human "within that animal" growing and "invading" the animal form in a way that will one day cause a split to occur - not unlike birth only rather than through a cavity, through another process of which we know little. If we suggest that humans were within dinosaurs and that prior to the dinosaurs going extinct, forerunners of the mammals on earth today were "thrown off" by the activity within the dual animal-human. As the human beared down on the forms in which it existed in the 2nd race, a series of metamorphoses occurred of which we know very little. How would a middle stage between dinosaur and human such as a mouse or a hippo not only be an attempt at a body for this dual entity, but also become ejected from the body after it were built, so to speak?
There are still many puzzles for serious students to work at discovery, however the idea of Adam as the first man when presented in THE SECRET DOCTRINE, describes seven Adams in this evolutionary cycle and we are forced to re-evaluate the word human because we have not discussed and decided whether all races can be called human technically to a scientist. In order for the form to be human, to me only the 4th race might qualify as this type of being with the 1st - 3rd and 5th - 6th needing new terminology to describe the relationship between human and "other kingdom."
We can't really debate how Adam (as found in the Bible) is essentially true unless we agree how to refer to the other 6 races (other than 5th) and that hasn't even been attempted yet.
However, if we introduce this written material (in the right way) we will demonstrate how the Bible and the ancients who participated in writing the Bible knew about life and creation considerably better than we had heretofore anticipated.
Adam is described as being from "the dust of the earth" and "breathed into." I can describe a shista buried after the 3rd round (one for each race) and withdrawn from its burial place at the proper time for a reinvigoration and reenlivening of the form. What would have to change is the adaptation that the form had in the prior round was for watery existence (life in water not on dry land) and during this round a water-form would be processed into a land-form.
It is very sketchy - ancient history - but there can be a rational explanation for events so that no one has to be told or be led to believe that the Bible is false and misleading. The Bible can be presented as true, though sketchy, and a key to help with mysteries for ages to come. We may never need to outgrow this sacred work.

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brendatucker
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From: West Hills, CA
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Message 210 of 264 (478846)
08-21-2008 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Larni
08-21-2008 4:07 AM


Why me?
Why does it have to be me who does this?
Everyone is involved in reading literature and designing research (?) and planning for their futures.
Couldn't just anyone who wants to make a plan how to live do what you ask?
I just read and lived according to what was "suggested" and made a discovery that I think could help many people become more religion-friendly.
If there are demands on the scientific mind, couldn't they do their own thinking to satisfy those demands?

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brendatucker
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Message 212 of 264 (478854)
08-21-2008 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Larni
08-21-2008 12:41 PM


Re: Why me?
Let's consider that many aspects of what I "spout" to you could be "way off" and that the idea could be refined into a MORE workable form.
That would be great. I'm working with grossly unsubstantiated data from a type of "skimming" of the literature. (Skimming since one person, me, is responsible for what I read.)
400,000 years before beginning of sixth race may or may not be substantiated within the literature.
So much modification could be going on but isn't because people don't know about what I found.
Couldn't we take it step by step? First tell people what I found and then let everyone become a thinktank for improving our situations. Afterall, mostly what I am advocating is "purity" or helping and allowing cases of "purity" when they are observed.
How many people do you think hear that I am vegetarian and want to be the one who sticks a little meat into my food? People are really against the idea of permitting vegetarianism to become anything more than a few misguided seekers.
Do you think there is allowance for those who don't quite fit in because they have dreams and aspirations towards this "meeting of a higher kingdom?"
If people knew why we were trying to purify our lives as I have given you the "scenario," then it could become more promotable and more easily observable. I cringe at what my son makes out with for his diet at school.

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brendatucker
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Message 213 of 264 (478857)
08-21-2008 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by brendatucker
08-21-2008 12:50 PM


At least . . . .
At least if we present this work (mine and H.P.B's and Edna Ballard's) we allow people a chance to see how religion could be developing. It is still only 120 years since this woman wrote THE SECRET DOCTRINE. I don't know why Darwin's work can be accepted immediately and Blavatsky's can be so ridiculed and shunned, taunted, and debased.
Just because science has standards doesn't make it right to become so derogative about what someone else has encountered in their life.
But remember, Jesus Christ was killed. He was different and people didn't trust him to help them (all of them) and his existence was interrupted.
Maybe people as a whole will be just as happy to prevent a girasas kingdom from "landing" on earth. Maybe we will all vote to do away with them and struggle on by ourselves. Maybe initiatives will be instituted to cause them harm so that they cannot make their way through us.
That would be one result that we would have to live with, but then surely these people who want to prevent them having a role in our lives will try to understand that some of us may be helpless when it comes to rising up against them. If they are a higher kingdom, how can we be to blame for what they do to us?

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brendatucker
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Message 217 of 264 (478866)
08-21-2008 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by New Cat's Eye
08-21-2008 1:42 PM


Christianity
Christianity has been in existence for a long time and this theory can be successfully tied in with Christian records.
It can also account for the variety of religions that we find on earth: Egyptian - 1st subrace, Hindu - 2nd subrace, Greek and Roman mythology - 3rd subrace, Buddhism - 4th subrace, Christianity - 5th subrace and 5th root race, ????? (strange absence) - sixth subrace, Muslim religion - 7th subrace

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Message 218 of 264 (478867)
08-21-2008 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Larni
08-21-2008 2:04 PM


Re: Why me?
And yet you expect one person to do the work of many. I found the theory. I communicated the theory. If more people could hear about this new development, then the work that you so adamantly advocate could be done.
Step by step and not all on the shoulders of one person.

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brendatucker
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Message 221 of 264 (478870)
08-21-2008 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Larni
08-21-2008 1:54 PM


Re: At least . . . .
One way in which religions have tended to show proof is with prophesy. H.P. Blavatsky did leave the prophesy that someone would come along in the 20th century and provide additional clarification to her writings.
If we could show that that did happen, we would have a semblance of proof.
I think you should evaluate whether or not the work that we are doing has a good influence on the people who take part in it. Could it be viewed as a positive endeavor when children reach up to try to grasp a life higher and beyond that which we know on earth? Could conceiving of higher lives produce positive results in those who participate?

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Message 222 of 264 (478871)
08-21-2008 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Larni
08-21-2008 2:14 PM


Re: Christianity
Well I did offer an explanation for Adam.
I also can offer the concept of the sacrament where the blood and body of Christ is taken. We "conceive" that there is a Christ side of us that is growing when we partake of it.

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