Raising Standards

Brenda, what does the above tell you? It seems pretty clear that you strongly beleived something that was infact false. This is the problem when we don't have any corroborating evidence.If I was to tell you that when people 'worry' they worry in a verbal way i.e. thinking thoughts such as "what if.....?" would you beleive me? If I was to tell you that 'worry' is always about the future rather than the past would you beleive me?Some people would say I'm right and some would say I'm wrong: but the only way to know for sure is to find out. That takes a measured scientific methodology.You can't pull ideas out of the ether and expect other people to beleive you without showing with evidence why your ideas are correct.I'm sorry you spent 25 years chasing rainbows.

Brenda, I'm right in thinking you have a degree in psychology, right?I just bet you loved psychodynamic theory didn't you? What you just wrote is just the kind thing my psychodynamic professor used to come out with.All of it does not matter. You are still in the position of having an idea in your head of how the world works that has failed to be accepted in the mainstream because it has no supporting evidence.A bit like psychoanalytical theory, really.

The ideas contanined in The Secret Doctrine are rubbish ideas.No one wants to waste valuable educational time on rubbish now, do they?

Okay. Lets do this systematically: This is only an opinion: there is absolutley no evidence for this assertion, is there? The verasity of this statement all hangs on the assumption that the 'Kingdom' theory is true. Again, we cannot simply assume something is true. We must has evidence.When you say "who can guess..." you could 'guess' just about anything, with no good reason because of the evidence problem you have (see above). So I can take it you are talking to 'them' in the same way that xians 'talk' to their god?This really damages your credibility; you are asking us to assume that there is a 'them' that can be communicated with (again without any evidence).This is why some posters here think you are off the wall. And here is the crux of the matter: you will NEVER get these ideas off the ground because they have absolutly no evidence appart from you asserting that for you they seem to do the trick in a confusing world. Again the problem is that you have no evidence that anything has occured. Be a good mum. The rest can wait. This (and the rest of you post) implies you are personifying the girasas. Does this mean you are have auditoru hallucinations? No idea what all this means. But it hasn't, has it? Ask you self why. They are kids imagining something plausable.You are an adult with (frankly it's the only way I can describe it) delusions.

Hey Archer: are you replying to me?

But you have no reason to beleive this is true other than it 'feels' right to you. As far as I'm concerned what you think is not real. Well, you will get no where with scientists if you start bringing Jesus as divine the equation. You are shooting yourself in the foot, here. I can do that.YOU
BELIEVE
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EVIDENCEThis is a delusion. Where? If you make that person James Randi you could make $1,000,000!! Go for it! Bzzt...hmmmmm...cacha...zrrt...does not compute. Identify this person and his/her claims, please. Scientists don't debate religious. Yes; it would be great if scientist where overseeing the metamorphosis of humanity wouldn't it? Well I like to kid myself that I'm a scientist (since I'm enagaged in active research) and I often work with patients who have beliefs that bring harm to them.What I always say to people who will not alter their religious beliefs is "go talk to a vicar".

Au contrare. If I had no fun on this site I would not be at this site talking to you, would I?Now, before we go on I would like to point out that you have addressed none of my points; specifically that you have NO EVIDENCE that the 'Seven Race Theory' has any basis in reality.I also want to draw your attention to the following phrases that you used in the last post to me: These all indicate that your 'theory' is woefully underdeveloped. I would put your 'theory' as an unfalsifiable hypothesis.I'm going to make a very important point here: if you honestly want to promogulate this to the world at large you must understand this point; I can't stress how important this will be for you.Your 'Seven Race Theory' needs to be falsifiable before any scientist will even touch it with somebody elses barge pole.The rest of your posting on this site will be essentially pointless untill you can at least show how your theory can be falsified.Come up with a falsification method and I'm very happy to continue this discussion.If you refuse, then no scientist on earth will react to the 'Seven Race Theory' differently to me and your mission is doomed.Think of this as an opportunity to show everyone reading this thread (there may be as many as 8) that you can work with science!Otherwise you will be chasing rainbows untill you go bonkers.

That's a good question: why me?You are right that anyone could do what you are suggesting, too.But back to the 'why me' question: when you teach your children that they must put in effort to get rewards and they whine "why can't you do it, why me?", do you say, "don't worry little one, I will do the job for you" or do you say "in life you need to work for what you want so you must learn to do things for yourself?"If you want to change the world you must put the effort in; no one is going to do it for you.If you have put the effort in and still have no results you must question your methods or your competances.You seem to want to help people marry religion and science into a workable whole: this is not posible because science does not deal with anything that does not have evidence.Now and again: the issue still remains that you have not falsified the seven race 'theory' (more of a hypothesis because you are saying "this is how I think the world works").The problem is you are saying "this is how I think the world works but no one beleives me. Will someone please champion my case but I will undertake no action to convince you of why I beileve that this is how the world works?".How can you reasonably expect anyone to want to champion your cause when you yourself cannot?

Are you serious? You can't understand why? Darwins's work uses evidence. HPB has no evidence at all. How can it be any clearer? True. There is no reason for anyone to be rude, but if an adult beleives in Father Christmas you would call them a moron with good cause. The seven race theory has no more validity that Father Chrismas, the Tooth Fairy, Yaweh, Vishnu or any other imaginary character. So you say. But that does not make it so. If Jesus was real he was a normal person (probably schizophrenic, to boot). You are starting with an assumption that xian beleifs are facts and this is not true. There is no evidence for xiantity out side the books arbitrarily deem cannon.It seems one of you salient point is that the seven race theory bridges the gap between xianity and science and that this is valuable: not so! Xians won't go with heresy (your views from their perspective) and for scientist it is a non issue.You have one of two choices:1) accept that religious people are too happy with their current world view to want to change (they see no conflict with science at all) and scientist see no need to concider religion at all (because it has nothing to do with science- what scientist do). Both groups have no hang ups with religion/science because it is like oil and water- the don't mix and people are happiest that way.2) keep banging your head against a brick wall trying to convince people that there is a problem and thsat you have the solution. There is no problem! You make a masive assumption here, don't you? You have assumed that you are right about the seven race theory awith bsolutely no evidence! That is why you get no where with people- because you say "I've assumed this is true. You must beleive me based on my assumption. I won't tell you why I beleive it is true, however". In my professional experience in mental health people are only institutionalised if they are a danger to themselves or others. Walk around with a plaquard all you like but as long as you are not a danger you won't get locked up. No idea what you mean, sorry.

You don't substantiate anything with literature, you use evidence. Not so, my fiance is a veggie, most of my friends are and I only eat meat when we eat out so you point fails. Dream away! But be under no illusion that science will never take dreams seriously (unless it is a flux capacitor, obviously) unless you back it up with evidence.You are asking people to beleive in the ramblings of a possibly disturbed 19th century writer. What would you say to some body trying to tell you that Cthulu is real? What ever you do, please don't push your seven race theory on your kids. I've seen too many young people fucked up by what their parent tell them.

No it can't. Prove it.ABE: what about the Sumerian pantheon? Shintoism? Druidism? Wicca? Norse Pantheon?Edited by Larni, : Just adding stuff, you know?

Point one: You found a hypothesis not a theory.Point two: In all the time you have been promogulating this hypothesis you have found nobody who cares! You said that you thought you were the one destined to spread the word and are a bit stumpt as to why no one listened by 2000: what does that tell you?Point 3: The more people you tell the more people you will convince that you are deluded: trust me.

If you could point out where this ahs happened I would be obliged. On a personal level sure. But not on a scientific level. This is why scientist will have no part of the seven race theory. For the same reason they have no part of religion. To somebody who is not religious [b]all religions are fiction[/qs]. That's why you get nowhere with your mission.Do you understand?

Rubbish. Darwin attackers are two a penny. Check out this thread on this very site which I assure you is very current.http://EvC Forum: Status Report: The Invulnerable Refutation of Darwinism -->EvC Forum: Status Report: The Invulnerable Refutation of DarwinismTake some time to read through and please take note how the posters on this thread are bending over backwards to see your point of view in the politest of ways.See what happens to other people who insist they are right without presenting evidence.You are relatively new here so some of us feel there could be some point in persuading you to think in a more open minded way.You don't want to end up like Ray, a frothing bitter loon. You have already seen!!! The xians call you heretic and scientist don't pay your ideas any attention. How many more years will you waste on your failed, doomed mission?Edited by Larni, : More stuff...it's a slow morning.Edited by Larni, : Slow brain day.

Bingo!You gain nothing with you current life strategy.