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crashfrog
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Message 93 of 101 (441456)
12-17-2007 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by kuresu
12-17-2007 6:52 PM


Re: Shlomo
But those rythyms aren't really fundamentally new either.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but what's the historic precedent?

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crashfrog
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Message 95 of 101 (441469)
12-17-2007 7:35 PM
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12-17-2007 7:27 PM


Re: Shlomo
jazz drumming?
funk drumming?
Hrm, maybe you still don't understand what a breakbeat is. It's when you create the whole rhythm portion of a song from extemporaneous percussion solos as found in jazz and funk performances, sampled and cut.
Jazz and funk drumming are not breakbeat, not even close, so I don't see how they can be the historic precursors of breakbeat.
what would be interesting to hear would be older breakbeats
I guess you could start with "King of the Beats" by Mantronik, the first use of the so-called "Amen break" that is such a mainstay of breakbeat.

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crashfrog
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Message 97 of 101 (441530)
12-17-2007 11:34 PM
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12-17-2007 10:32 PM


Re: Shlomo
If the fundamentally new thing you're talking about is the rythym, there's your historical basis--funk.
Funk isn't breakbeats, though. How can it be the historic precedent?
Maybe I'm just not being clear on what I'm asking, because you're not making any sense to me. Anyway it was just an idle musing; we can drop it.

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crashfrog
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Message 100 of 101 (441540)
12-18-2007 12:28 AM
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12-18-2007 12:08 AM


Re: Shlomo
It's difficult for me to see how funk can't have influenced breakbeats.
Because funk is like the opposite of breakbeak. Funk percussion is a regular, rhythmic beat, and then in the middle of the song there's a couple measures of the "break", where the percussionist goes off-rhythm to solo.
Breakbeats is what you get if you take just that period of the break and make a whole song out of it. It's like making music out of the negative space that surrounds a funk song.
I'm not saying that there's no relationship, obviously there is. But breakbeats aren't the natural evolution of funk, the way funk evolved from other genres; they're a quantum leap across the musical space.
Without recent precedent, in my view. It's fine if you disagree. Although the thing you mentioned, about electronic amplification of vibrating strings, that was pretty significant, too. And I think we're on the cusp of a similar development, where digital instruments and games like Guitar Hero will usher in an age where people make music on instruments that are designed for easy human use, not forced into certain configurations by the necessities of generating musical sound with physical materials.

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