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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
Hi, God's own image is Free will. we are free to do what ever we want and because of this we are in "his image".
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
Free will does not imply you can do what ever you want. It is just that you are free to make your own decisions on what you want to do, not an instinct.
People are free to do whatever they want even if it infringes upon somebody elses free will. God gave us free will, but what we do with it is our own choice. if i missed your point tell me and i will try to address it properly
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
Yes that would be the best way to allow you your free will but if God stopped his bullet he would be denying the killer his free will, either way somebody will have his free will denied and well, that defeats the purpose of giving a free will in the first place.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
By stopping bullets God is undermining the killers decision, and impeding on his free will.
About a killer having his will protected over the innocent, I thought that God loved all creation equally... so I guess the killer's free will is just as importent as the innocent's will.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
First, Why would God give free will only to intercede on it? It kind of defeats the purpose of allowing us to operate independently of him.
Second, how do you qoute like you just did?
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
using your same logic why should God allow us to do anything wrong at all? How many times a day do you make a decision that has negative consequences? If your version of what free will should be you would effectivily be not be free to make your decision. It could be likened to this. a twelve year old boy wants to get a tattoo. so he saves up money and asks his mother if she will take him to get one. She, shocked at her boys decision to get a tattoo says to him "No child of mine will get a tattoo". The boy is crushed at having his action denied. The question is, does this boy possess free will? I say no, because his decision is dependent upon someone else, and there is no way for that boy to get a tattoo. In order to have true free will, like we do, and what i think God gave us, our decisions, turning into action if you will, should not be dependent upon God. otherwise we are nothing more than God's puppets.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
We are in his image. so in regard to God's "image" (Free will), we are equals. We are his grown up children if you will, so naturally we can "get a tattoo" whenever we'd like.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
I thought it was who would be saved, not believe. if i am wrong I would like to be corrected. As for God picking who will be saved, I think that only God could do this and he does this in accordance of our actions.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
of course God makes the decision before we act, as God by defination knows all things. So i guess Predestination could be argued.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
We still have free will it is just that an all knowing God has simulated in his mind how things will happen and how we react
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
"I won't even ask how our will can be free if the outcome is preordained" my thought is this, God is not ordaining what is happening he just knows what WE will ordain.
As to Pharoh your right. i won't take on that argument. however By doing this he freed the Isrealites. I have always wondered though is there any evidence(Isrealites enslaved in Egypt than let go) for this besides the Bible. If anybody knows could you let me know.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
Does a simulation of clouds ordain where the clouds will be? Or let's say we have perfected our means of perdicting the weather so we are never wrong. Does our perfect prediction of weather, tell the weather what it will do? No the weather happens of it's own accord we just know what it would do that is what i was getting at.
As to making things impossible well, if killing were impossible than we would not be able to have a hamburger or really any food. As to rape that uses the same system as reperduction, so to make rape impossible would also make repurduction impossible. as to making us unable to do stuff as a violation of our free will, maybe, maybe not i don't want to get into it.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
If God made us to run exactly like his simulation than there is no free will. But we came first i think because real simulations do not precede what is being simulated.
As to us controlling clouds by a weather simulator, I think you mean a weather controller, because simulations do not make real life things do anything. Lets pretend you know a guy named Jim Donovan (fictional). he has been your friend since you were kids, because of this you can accurately predict to how he will act for any given situation. Is your friend Jim mechanistic because you can do this?
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
"The fact is that if God created this universe and decided what it's physical constraints and conditions would be, then he has restricted our free will."
but we break physical constriants all the time. just because human beings have not been made to fly does it limit our free will? "I spoke of killing someone, implying, I thought, human beings. I am sorry if that was not clear." if human beings could not be killed i think the bible would have said God made other gods as opposed to "in his own image" which to my mind is Free Will. "Are you saying that clouds have free will? That they can 'decide' to drift against the flow of air?"Bad analogy to your mind, read my next one about Jim. "I would hope that you don't have so little imagination. Why not have reproductive organs that don't function without the person being aroused. This way, unless both parties are active, willing participants, sexual intercourse is not possible."What a excellent idea why don't you put it in God's suggestion box.
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stevo3890 Inactive Member |
"In his own image" suggests we are peers in regards to image.
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