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Atheism Examined

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RAZD
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Message 239 of 300 (391005)
03-22-2007 10:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 237 by ICANT
03-22-2007 9:31 PM

Re: The important things are... too important.
If society kept the last 5 commandments of the Bible there would be no jails, no hunger, no poverty, no problems at all.
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Then why is the proportion of christians in jail essentially the same as the proportion of christians in the general population?
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If anything there are slightly fewer atheists in jail than in the general population (but the degree is statistically insignificant(1) imho): shouldn't there be significantly higher numbers of atheists in jail if your assertion were even partly true?
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Enjoy.
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(1) - there are more uneducated people in jail than in the general population (and education has been shown to significantly reduce recidivism). Atheists do tend to be more educated, so this could explain the slight decrease in atheist prison populations.
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03-24-2007 2:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 254 by ICANT
03-23-2007 10:47 PM

Re: The important things are... too important.
That's over 900 different sets of belief's and practices.
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I've not seen evidence that any two people believe exactly the same things.
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Nor to (I believe) it is possible. Belief is, after all, not founded on evidence but rather the lack of it. That's a pretty open window.
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03-25-2007 7:33 AM 		Reply to: Message 270 by nator
03-25-2007 7:29 AM

Re: The important things are... too important.
Who decides if someone is "born again"?
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buddhists do it all the time ... again and again and again ...
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03-27-2007 11:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 256 by ICANT
03-24-2007 7:30 PM

qualifications ....
Something I think you and others are missing ...
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Last stats I heard was that 80% of US citizens claimed to be Christian. Some gave being born in America as the reason.
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I agree that this statistic is useless as it doesn't really measure the degree of belief, the term "christian" is used in a relatively nebulous fashion, and a lot of the responses are more ones of convenience than fact. A more important criteria imh(ysa)o would be some marker, such as regular study of the bible - whether in private or in a church bible study class. If someone claims to be a christian but has never opened the book they are all hat and no cattle.
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When a qualification such as regular church attendance is added the number drops significantly.
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But just because you claim to be a Christian does not mean you are.
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On the other hand, just because you claim to be a Christian does not mean you aren't one either.
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Edited by RAZD, : church attendance added
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03-29-2007 11:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 279 by ICANT
03-28-2007 6:01 PM

Re: The important things are... too important.
However, if we only kept those 5 commandments, we still would not grow.
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What would you suggest we add?
  • Do not interfere with your neighbors life so long as it does not harm anyone (that is not a willing informed participant - tattoos & piercings come to mind).
  • Respect the rights of all individuals to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
  • Basic human rights apply to all individuals, including Freedom, Justice and Equality.
  • The right to a good education and health care.
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Just some thoughts ...
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