Kader keeps bouncing around and never seems to follow any subject or line of thought.
He had asked me why I believe the divinity of Jesus to be logical, and I responded. His next response though had nothing to do with that issue but instead wandered off into signs or something.
It is tiresome work for an old man to have to prance like a pony.
I asked thoses questions to know a bit more.
But that has little to do with the value of the Bible or any other scripture.
No the error that plague the bible have a lot to do with its value. The value of the bible isn't like the value of any book. Because people hold it to be the truth. And that means it deals with reality. So we can't treat it like any fiction book like you seem to do and just accept the "message". We need to verify the allegation of the bible.
I find the story of Jesus life and ministry logical because it is the type of sweeping example and lesson a GOD, one that really did create the Universe might present.
And for that you need to assume that God is more or less a biblical God. And befor you do that, you need to first validate how true can the bible be (accurate).
What more awesome lesson could there be than GOD, instead of simply telling us, became one of us, lived among us, suffering all the little indignities of humanity, having to learn how to control His bowels, to walk, to talk, to stumble, fall, get cut knees and boo-boos.
That would be assuming God did all thoses things. And all you have as a "proof", is the bible.
No this is far from the best possible lesson he could have given us. Look around you, did we look like we even understood his lesson ? 10000 different branches of christianism, other religions, war... No no, the lesson isnt as awesome as you would like it to be. Appearing to a handfull of people and claiming to be God...
All the rest of the post follow the same line of thoughts
You base all your assumption on the existance of Jesus and that this story isn't just what it seems to be (a very nice and well written story with a great moral ?) No you take it to the next level when you start believing that actually came to pass.
And how can you explain to me that the christianity is logical when you simply assume a bunch of illogical things to start with ?
But God didn't show you anything, why ?
Really?
Are you saying that God showed you personally the truth ?
Why doesn't he speak to me ?
I have no idea.
Are you telling me he speaks to you ? or anyone for that matter ?
I can see no reason you should learn about GOD through me.
Well I have to learn from someone, I can't find God (as the bible describe him) or even know about jesus if I don't read the bible. I can't get that "knowledge" myself. I need someone to teach me (or give me a bible)
I learn through what others have learned and what I experience.
If I may, you learned from other, but that your experience confirm what you've learned from the bible is quite another thing.
Your experience might confirm that the message of most religions is logical. (Treat the other like you would like to be treated etc..) But in the whole world, there is no personal experience prove the existance of Jesus for example.
If you don't understand, well simply put. If you never heard of Jesus, you will not experience anything concerning Jesus. It has never happened that a missionary went to some indian village to preach Jesus and found an little indian who already found him. You get my point ?
If you want to take into account your personal experience (if you still think that what you experienced prove in your eye the existance of Jesus for example) Well then think about all the other followers of other religions who thinks the same exact way as you.
Why isn't God self evident ?
For me GOD is self evident. But that is just me.
How is God self evident if you need the bible to understand him ?
It is self evident to you that there is only 1 God?
It is self evident to you that this God is all loving ?
Make a point starting from "reality" and not some "story".
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