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Author Topic:   Who is Jesus Christ to you?
SharpeSworde
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Message 19 of 82 (37091)
04-15-2003 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by joz
04-15-2003 11:14 AM


Re: Hey Andya...
Am not Andya but I believe I can answer some of these, being that I am somewhat familiar with the subject.
---------------------------------------------------------------------Heres a quick question, you said that you see Jesus as a messanger to "the children of Israel (exclusively)" is that Israel as in Jacob (of Jacob and Esau fame) who "wrestled with God and men"?
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Well the twins Jacob (Yaakov) and Esau were fighting in the womb, and after birth, but you are thinking of Isaac (Yitzhak) Jacob's father which was the one to be called Israel. He was called that after he dreamed he had wrestled with an angel of G-d and defeated him in the dream. The name also alludes ot the constant struggle of man's and G-d's will.
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I was under the impression that the Arabic tribes claimed descent from Abraham through Ishmael,
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They do and they are. However since Ishmael had his own covenant and the Jews beleieve in relationship by covenant not blood, all muslims are thusly considered to be Ishmaelites even the ones of non-Arabic descent. I believe the Muslims identify with ishamel in that way as well. By the way the Muslims do consider Ishmael a prophet, and have tweaked the Bible to have Abraham sacrifice (well almost) Ishmael rather then Isaac. Of course the muslims claim it was either the Jews, Christians or Both that have changed their Bibles. That happens to be one of those "minor differences" between the 3 faiths.
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does this imply that they also claim to be descendants of Jacob, or is Mohammed seen as opening faith to everyone in a way that Jesus (or "Isa" right?) did not?
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As far as I know Mohammed was an Ishmaelite, and his Islam was preached first to the Arabs but eventually was meant for the whole world, "not that the whole world would be extatic to accept the new religion".

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SharpeSworde
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Message 20 of 82 (37092)
04-15-2003 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by NosyNed
04-15-2003 11:14 AM


Re: Jesus
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TheOne's a Jew
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But aren't all the Christians here too? Jesus was a Jew so aren't they just a Jewish sect?
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Hey Karl Marx was also born a Jew does it mean that communism is a Jewish sect? Jesus ain't Judaism plain and simple.
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"It's human to err, but only a fool insist on making the same mistake twice" -- Shelomo Ha Melech

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SharpeSworde
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Message 30 of 82 (37139)
04-16-2003 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by joz
04-16-2003 10:49 AM


Re: Hey Andya...
Actually you are right I apologize, I should have looked into the scripture before I answered. (Even Einstein made mistakes *GRIN).
Thanks for a correction
Regards.
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"It's human to err, but only a fool insists on making the same mistake twice" -- Shelomo Ha Melech

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SharpeSworde
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Message 31 of 82 (37140)
04-16-2003 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by joz
04-16-2003 1:46 PM


Re: Hey again Andya...
Correction Arabs are descended from Jacob.

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SharpeSworde
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Message 32 of 82 (37141)
04-16-2003 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by SharpeSworde
04-16-2003 4:23 PM


Re: Hey again Andya...
Correction to my own correciton. Arabs are descended from Ishmael.

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