What would your doctor say?

Yes, that's it. The tone just isn't right. On the other hand, when Jonathan Edwards wrote about the Great Awakening he made allowances for some crude stuff, people being people after all, even under the influence of the Holy Spirit. But when there's NOTHING BUT crudity, something's wrong.

tell them that you have terminal 'dragging off topic' syndrome!!At least vaguely link it to the topic.Brian.

Thats one cute cat. Is it yours Brian?

Yes, it is wee Smooky, she's a wee angel (sometimes).I know it's off topic BTW Brian.

Sorry to get off topic, but I think we think it's connected. At least we're talking about the stuff you think we should see a doctor about. Probably trying to prove to you we are quite sane, but no doubt it's hopeless.

A beautiful cat all the same.Time for a pint and a ruby. Later

God is different than we are, iano. His idea of class is different too. We should realize that worldly values are just that, worldly.Take Jesus. He spit on some dirt and put it on someone's eyes. He called the Pharissees and Saducees horrible names, and whipped some folks to drive them out of the Temple. He let a prostitute caress his feet in public. He made some very weird comments about drinking his blood. His disciples didn't wash up as was the custom of the Jews, and they broke the Sabbath rules or traditions, for heaven's sake. That was as low class as you could get to the Jews back then, more so than shooting a machine-gun type of anointing at people.John the Baptist was no better.The prophets in the Old Testament weren't exactly observing social decorum all the time either.Sometimes it's good for someone to come along and break all the religiosity from us, where we put God in a box we call "class" or "acceptable" forms of worship and experience. God can be weird from our perspective, and that should be no surprise as we grow up in cultures far removed from Him and His values.Just think of the way He designed people. There is no way a God concerned as much with class and dignity as some believe would create the process of child-birth, which is a miracle in itself. I've seen a lot of amazing stuff, but that baby coming out, though not a miracle in terms of something that isn't an everyday thing, is a miraculous thing to me, and it's a weird thing. No way human beings, if we had the power, would set things up that way.Yep, God has class, but He has His own class and has little respect for our's.

Pint or two, and chinese I think, but not chinese curry.It is easy to get dragged off topic isn't it?Brian.

I don't even think you should be paying attention to "the arguements" for the existance of God. There has only been one way that I could ever prove God, and that is attempting to love others, the way I believe He loves me.

Have you had much success at this endeavor?

I agree. Oh I think there can be {Evil} and {evil} in what people do without need for a devil or loki or whatever, just as I believe there can be {Good} and {good} in people -- it is more a matter of what {you try to be than what you {believe to be}. I don't see it that way either. Going back to the part quoted above he leaves this possibility (ellipses mine to make point): The Schizophrenics may well see the world of spirit - whatever it {really} is - but also (clearly) their vision is intentionally mis-represented by those attempting to use it for control, and also (not quite so clearly) mis-understood by those who cannot see it (whether they take the word of the evil-user or not, they just don't have the means eh?).This is one possibility. Common to all religions eh?Enjoy.

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If you truly care about all living things then that must obviously extend to a fetus. How do you feel about the abortion debate? That's an easy claim for an atheist to make because by his own admission, morals are completely subjective and arbitrary. Any moral that he claims can simply change to fit whatever invented criteria that he wants. And being that he believes morals are relative, he is grounded by nothing, thus allowing him to sit up high on a pedastal and judge his peers. In other words, the atheists morals are so low and prone to change at his whim, that its virtualy impossible for him to ever be immoral about anything by his own standards.But if you think that atheism breeds peace and religiosity breeds hate, then give Lenin, Stalin, Tse-Tung, Pol-Pot, Kahn, Jiang Zemin, Kim Jong-Il, and Hitler my regards.

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Hi Brian. I don't have a regular doctor, per se, because I don't have insurance. But of the doctor's I have consulted for various reasons, I believe they would schedule for me an appointment with a psychiatrist.

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In other words, the atheists morals are so low and prone to change at his whim, that its virtualy impossible for him to ever be immoral about anything by his own standards.

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...and yet, the prisons are filled with believers.

On the contrary, he is judged by his peers - instead of by some alien entity which has no understanding of the human condition.Since atheist morals - and all real morals - are society-based rather than woowoo-based, they are much better for society than anybody's version of "absolute" morals.

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