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Hyroglyphx
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Message 32 of 204 (335840)
07-27-2006 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
07-27-2006 12:07 PM


Conversations with God
Now, I am not talking about any specific person here, but what I would like to know is: What would your doctor say if you mentioned at a consultation that you regularly had conversations with God, and God tells you to do things? You hear God's voice as if He was there in the room with you and he chats away about a variety of things. What do you think your doctor would say?
That's a great question Brian. As a Christian, I would have to ask the same kinds of questions about anyone that proclaims that they speak with God. Even as a Christian, I would be leery if someone claimed to talk with God. The reason being that so many of the claimants do suffer from mental disease and exhibit delusions of grandeur.
If anyone claimed to have conversations with God, I'd first ask if their conversation was audible. I would then ask what the conversation entailed. If the "calling" entailed anything contrary to Scripture, then the claimant is either, A. making it up to get attention, B. Mentally disturbed and are hearing auditory voices from either a demonic source or that it stems from some sort of malady, or C. this person has been bestowed a gift that effects only a privaleged few in human history.
But even C has problems because the Word says that all "new" revelation comes through dreams in the last days or it comes through a soft, still voice in the mind.
I think in order to discern whether someone actually speaks with God, you have to take quite a few variables into consideration. My own conversations with God comes through a soft, still voice. It is by no means a booming voice of the arch angel, nor can it be verified by empiricism. Anyone claiming that I was simply hearing my own voice or that I heard what I wanted to hear, they'd have a good argument against me. But the very nature of God requires so very much on the personal line that it might be hard to distinguish those who merely wish for it to be real from those who have experienced an actual conversation.
Jesus said that we would know people by their fruits. This has served me in so many ways. Its such a true statement. And even if someone didn't have any sort of relgious affinities can take that onboard. I can always tell who is close to God and who has never met Him in a relatively short amount of time just by their actions and personalities. Anyone imbued by the Spirit has a certain quality that doesn't have a price tag attached to it and it isn't revealed with a giant, flashing neon sign. Its a simple, quiet understanding.
That's what I can bring to the table with my two cents. I think it was a great question and I hope that my two cents have some appreciable value to them.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 102 of 204 (336524)
07-29-2006 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Brian
07-28-2006 8:17 AM


Re: touchy
I'm an atheist, it is in my nature to care about all living things.
If you truly care about all living things then that must obviously extend to a fetus. How do you feel about the abortion debate?
It is a burden being part of the most moral group in the world, but we do need to battle against the evil done by people who misunderstand Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
That's an easy claim for an atheist to make because by his own admission, morals are completely subjective and arbitrary. Any moral that he claims can simply change to fit whatever invented criteria that he wants. And being that he believes morals are relative, he is grounded by nothing, thus allowing him to sit up high on a pedastal and judge his peers. In other words, the atheists morals are so low and prone to change at his whim, that its virtualy impossible for him to ever be immoral about anything by his own standards.
But if you think that atheism breeds peace and religiosity breeds hate, then give Lenin, Stalin, Tse-Tung, Pol-Pot, Kahn, Jiang Zemin, Kim Jong-Il, and Hitler my regards.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 110 of 204 (336893)
07-31-2006 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by nator
07-30-2006 5:20 PM


Re: touchy
and yet, the prisons are filled with believers.
They are also filled with non-believers. What's your point?

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 111 of 204 (336895)
07-31-2006 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by ringo
07-30-2006 6:19 PM


The truth about truth
On the contrary, he is judged by his peers - instead of by some alien entity which has no understanding of the human condition.
If God exists, He by very definition could not be alien, nor would He be incapable of not understanding any aspect of His creation.
Since atheist morals - and all real morals - are society-based rather than woowoo-based, they are much better for society than anybody's version of "absolute" morals.
If atheists believe in morals, just not absolute morals, then there are no 'real' morals. If morals are subjective then what is moral for you, isn't moral for me. Therefore, its merely a construct of your mind.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 112 of 204 (336896)
07-31-2006 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by randman
07-30-2006 6:36 PM


Re: atheism when tried
atheist morals worked real well in the Soviet bloc, didn't they?
Heh..... Exactly.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 113 of 204 (336898)
07-31-2006 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by ringo
07-30-2006 6:51 PM


Re: atheism when tried
But the topic is about what health-care professionals would think of their patients "hearing voices". That's why I mentioned moral "messages" coming from "alien entities". My point was that sanity is more often aligned with society than with spooks.
And what should happen if society itself has gone mad? Indeed, it has.

“Always be ready to give a defense to
everyone who asks you a reason for the
hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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