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Author Topic:   Why is Israel getting away with these atrocities?
Buzsaw
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Message 153 of 301 (331835)
07-14-2006 8:12 PM


Re: Who Started This?
To all: Who was it that kidnapped who's soldiers to set off this war and who refused to return the kidnapped persons and arrest the kidnappers?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 155 of 301 (331847)
07-14-2006 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by jar
07-14-2006 8:26 PM


Re: Who Started This?
jar writes:
Not Lebanon.
Well then who, Jar?

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Buzsaw
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Message 172 of 301 (332101)
07-15-2006 11:29 PM


Lebanon Taken Hostage
The militant Islamic Hezbollah has essentially taken over the Lebanese government and holding the nation hostage to it's militant power. No doubt many Lebanese welcome this action by Israel to either significantly diminish the Hezbollah which has it's own private army in Lebanon and has significant infiltration into the Lebanon army according to interviews of people who seem to know featured on Fox News today. Threre are allegedly hundreds of Iran's Red Guard in Lebanon with sophisticated missles and other missles enabling Hezbollah to put up a significant resistance to Israel.
The Israeli ambassador to the US interviewed on Fox says Israel is not backing off until Hezbollah is removed from South Lebanon, so this war may last some time. Again, the atrocities have been initiated by Islamic terrorist factions and not Israel which has little choice if they are to survive as a nation, having Hamas in Gaza and Hezbolla in Lebanon supported and armed by both Syria and Iran.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 184 of 301 (332417)
07-17-2006 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by arachnophilia
07-16-2006 12:50 AM


Re: Lebanon Taken Hostage
Arach writes:
yes, i forget this logic works in the neo-con camps. i don't think ANYONE welcomes their country being bombed. i know you guys think all of us non-bush-supporters would welcome being bombed by terrorists, but we won't. just like you wouldn't welcome being bombed if kerry got elected instead.
Hezbollah is essentially an arm of the Iran army in other nations and Lebanon is where Iran's largest contingent is. There is a large number of Hezbollah in Iraq also including ElSadre and his thugs. It is so powerful in Lebanon with all it's missiles and other armament that this minority radical Sheih terrorist organization and their supporters are holding the whole nation of Lebanon hostage. They have lost their freedom to run a peaceful and free country. When this happens, yes, some will likely welcome the disarmament of Hezbollah even with the destruction that goes with it. Israel had to bomb the bridges, airport et al in order to stop the armament and war goods coming in from Syria and Iran. They are only bombing strategic targets and unlike Hezbollah do not intentionally hit civilian targets.
The reason a number of nations are supportive of Israel in this is that Israel is essentially doing for the world what needs to be done to the terrorists, Hammas and Hezbollah.
This war is essentially a war against Syria and Iran the world's most dangerous terrorist nations and Lebanon is the battlefield so far and could feasably escalate into Iran or Syria and even possibly beyond to some other nations.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 185 of 301 (332420)
07-17-2006 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by arachnophilia
07-16-2006 11:06 PM


Re: War with????
Arach writes:
islam is the cause of all terrorism is not a gross and damning generalization?
Likely a good 80 to 90% of all active global terrorists are Muslims and most of the present global terrorism involves Muslims. All Muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims today.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 189 of 301 (332477)
07-17-2006 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by crashfrog
07-16-2006 9:03 PM


Unbiased news.
Fox has been interviewing people who are in the know from the military, from government on both sides of the isle, from Israeli officials and from others both sympathetic to the war effort and who are not. The thing most are not understanding about this is that Hezbollah and Hammas are essentially extended arms of Iran's Republic Guard and their military. They have a large highly armed contingent in Lebanon which as well as Hezbolla infiltrated in the Lebanese army itself so the majority Lebanese government's army is not strong enough to disarm Hezbollah.
What else most are not aware of is that this war did not start from just a couple of soldiers being kidnapped. Hezbollah first fired missles to soften up for the raid into the Israeli contingent from which the soldiers were kidnapped. This was all timed by Iran to happen on the day Iran was to account to the UN to divert the attention away from their resposibilities.
After Israel evacuated south Lebanon six years ago, a UN resolution was issued requiring the disarmament of Hezbollah in the evacuated south Lebanon, but the Lebanese army was unable to effect this and the UN failed to enforce it. Thus Hezbollah was free to prepare thousands of missiles with Iran technicians et al to prepare for and initiate this war. Thus the capture and kidnappings on two fronts, one in the south at Gaza and the other in the north at Lebanon. This war and the offensive action of Israel is clearly for the survival of the nation of Israel.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 190 of 301 (332480)
07-17-2006 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by Faith
07-17-2006 4:31 AM


Re: War with????
Your 95% is likely more accurate, Faith. I was trying to make sure I was within a safe perameter so as not to overstate.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 230 of 301 (332702)
07-17-2006 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by jar
07-17-2006 3:31 PM


Re: who learned from who?
jar writes:
no matter how many times we ask you to post the Qur'an verses in context, you have been unable to do so.
Jar, you're heading towards 11,000 messages and a large portion of them are stuff like this. As Faith has stated, this info has been supplied in threads on that topic as well as similar stuff from the Sunnahs and Hadiths which are deemed by Islamic leaders and clerics nearly as important as the Quran itself. It's in the archives for you to search but not the topic perse here.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 232 of 301 (332711)
07-17-2006 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by MangyTiger
07-17-2006 9:06 PM


Re: Unbiased news.
MT writes:
Have you seen the latest civilian death tolls buz?
200+ Lebanese vs. 24 Israelis.
Hezbollah has managed to kill an average of 4 Israelis a day since the conflict started. Are you seriously claiming that's the way to destroy a country? There's as much chance of me killing an elephant with a pea-shooter.
1. Most of Hezbolla's missiles are not accurate and Hezbolla knows it. They target civilian areas and fortunately many don't hit buildings.
2. Terrorists tend to operate from civilian areas hoping to use the civilians as shields so when Israel goes for them civilians are killed. Israel does not intentionally put civilians in harms way, but they have to hit where the Hezbolla is and if they are in civilian areas, they are the blame for the deaths of their human shields.
3. Israel is winning the war, inflicting damage where damage needs to happen. In war stuff gets broken and people get killed. The winners inflict the most damage. That's the way it's been forever.
MT writes:
Your repeated claim that the survival of Israel is at stake is unmitigated bullshit. There is no possibility of Israel being destroyed.
LOL! The only reason Israel isn't being destroyed is because they are kicking butt on the would be destroyers.
MT writes:
Lebanon, however is another matter. Israel is in the process of turning a fledgling democrary into a failed state.
LOL again. Lebanon's fledging democracy was already destroyed by Hezbolla to the point that the democratically elected government couldn't even disarm this paramilitary terrorist organization as per UN resolution, holding Lebanon hostage.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 278 of 301 (333550)
07-19-2006 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by jar
07-17-2006 10:16 PM


Re: who learned from who?
jar writes:
Okay Buz. Let's head towards the topic. And remember, Islam and the Qur'an are deemed off topic by none other than Buz.
That's not what I said Jar and you know it. Whether the Quran teaches that Islam is a violient religion is another topic and has been covered a number of times.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 293 of 301 (333831)
07-20-2006 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by crashfrog
07-20-2006 4:18 PM


Re: Ambulances?
It is both the nature of Hezbolla terrorists to launch rocket attacks from civilian areas and mosques. Likely they use rescue vehicles to move war equipment et al. Not only that but they will make sure their people get the need supplies before the Lebanese Christians and other noncombatants get them.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 294 of 301 (333834)
07-20-2006 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by BMG
07-20-2006 12:47 PM


Re: Ambulances?
LOL. The ultra liberal and anti Israel NY times is not going to tell you that terrorists set up shop in places like this.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 299 of 301 (333868)
07-20-2006 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by jar
07-20-2006 10:00 PM


Re: Ambulances?
Only ruthless coward terrorists operate with civilians. They and they alone are responsible for the people they are causing to be killed and now on the news Israel has dropped leaflets WARNING all civilians to head north but the Hezbollah cowards are setting up checkpoints prohibiting their flight so they can continue to use them for cover. This leaves Israel no choice. Unfortunately they can't let the terrorists protect themselves in this fashion so Israel has no choice in order to protect themselves and win the war.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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