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Topic: What are the Degrees of Fundamentalism?
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 61 of 229 (332040)
07-15-2006 5:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 47 by riVeRraT
07-14-2006 10:53 PM
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Re: God's judgment
As I've said many times before, we are to give help to all sufferers.
Just doesn't matter how they got that way, huh? Jesus died for sinners, which all of us are, so why on earth would there be a problem bringing help to sinners?
I could never bring myself to go and help people who I thought God had poured his wrath out on, and preach that message to them. I do not feel the Holy Spirit at all if I do that. Nobody said you should preach this message to the sufferers. Your job with the sufferers is to alleviate their suffering. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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macaroniandcheese
Suspended Member (Idle past 3958 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: 05-24-2004
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Message 62 of 229 (332041)
07-15-2006 5:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
07-15-2006 5:13 PM
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Re: God's judgment
But nothing happens without God's willing it. Period.
excepting abortions of course.
Always the response to these judgments should be repentance and drawing closer to God. How many do that? i guess it's the difference in understanding. are all calamities judgements? if not, how do you know which are? i certainly don't, so i assume none are and mind my faith business as my own and not the result or cause of anyone else.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 63 of 229 (332043)
07-15-2006 5:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 12 by Faith
07-12-2006 1:17 PM
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Re: How aware are you Americans?
What is it like in everyday America, do these people really get taken seriously by many people, are they only 'background noise', or are they seen as freak show material? quote:
I never even heard of Fred Phelps until I started hanging out at EvC.
Anyone who's frequented university campuses in the last 20 years would know him best. OTOH, you know of Robertson and Falwell, and they are the same as Phelps, just with slightly better manners.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 64 of 229 (332044)
07-15-2006 5:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Faith
07-12-2006 1:58 PM
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Re: How aware are you Americans?
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As for leftist Christians, you must be joking. PBS is crawling with them. Ditto NPR. Network news IS leftists. When Robertson or Falwell or Phelps ARE covered, it's from a leftist point of view.
Really? Communists run PBS and network news? I didn't realize Rupert Murdoch and Michael Eisner were Red.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 65 of 229 (332045)
07-15-2006 6:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 23 by Faith
07-12-2006 8:55 PM
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Re: How aware are you Americans?
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Any Biblical or theological matter that comes up in the news will get the usual liberal Christian authorities out to comment on it.
Funny, I've seen Falwell and Robertson and Dobson commenting on religious matters on mainstream (not fox) quite frequently in recent years.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 66 of 229 (332046)
07-15-2006 6:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
07-13-2006 8:51 AM
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Re: How aware are you Americans?
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And as I already said, and now repeat, the "centrist" media is a myth of the far left.
Whe you say "far left", do you mean "Communist? Because that is who the "far left" is. Are you saying that NBC, CBS, and ABC are Communist networks?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 67 of 229 (332049)
07-15-2006 6:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
07-13-2006 10:25 AM
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And by the way, YOUR messages are a perfect example of the kind of judgmentalness that Jesus condemned.
Jesus didn't condemn being judgemental. He just let us know that if we choose to judge others, we should be prepared to be judged in the same way.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 68 of 229 (332051)
07-15-2006 6:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
07-15-2006 5:13 PM
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Re: God's judgment
Well, you definately are demontrating one thing. There ARE degrees in fundamentalism. Some fundanmentalism is more extreme than others, but none of it is very pretty at all.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 69 of 229 (332053)
07-15-2006 7:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 68 by ramoss
07-15-2006 6:43 PM
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Re: God's judgment
Well, you definately are demontrating one thing. There ARE degrees in fundamentalism. Some fundanmentalism is more extreme than others, but none of it is very pretty at all. Funny when someone who interprets everything in terms of the Old Testament as much as you do gets on a fundie's case for applying the Old Testament.
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docpotato
Member (Idle past 5078 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: 07-18-2003
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Message 70 of 229 (332059)
07-15-2006 7:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
07-15-2006 5:13 PM
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Re: God's judgment
The Old Testament, which was "given for our admonition" even to those who believe in Christ, shows in prophecy after prophecy and event after event that God brings judgment against nations for their sins against His Laws, and often for the worshipping of the demon gods. Knowing the exact causes of particular calamities is not possible for us. If we can't know the exact cause of the calamity, it's not a particularly effective lesson, is it? It's similar to a man smacking his wife. When she asks why, he says, "'cause." And how do we know when something rises above the usual, normal disaster into something that is a judgement on a nation? If 200 people die, is that a judgement or just a tragedy? If there are widespread forest fires, but no one dies, is that a judgement on the nation? Or the nation's trees maybe?
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 71 of 229 (332061)
07-15-2006 8:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 70 by docpotato
07-15-2006 7:57 PM
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Re: God's judgment
If you know the Old Testament it's easy enough to know how the nation is out of God's will. Abortion certainly for one instance. I think not consistently applying the death penalty is another. Legalized gambling. Any time the nation legalizes what God calls a sin we are in trouble. We don't need to know specifics in each catastrophe. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 7.6
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Message 72 of 229 (332065)
07-15-2006 8:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 70 by docpotato
07-15-2006 7:57 PM
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Re: God's judgment
If there are widespread forest fires, but no one dies, is that a judgement on the nation? Or the nation's trees maybe?
It's a judgement on the nation's bears, those godless killing machines are getting whats coming to them. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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MangyTiger
Member (Idle past 6384 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: 07-30-2004
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Message 73 of 229 (332067)
07-15-2006 8:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
07-15-2006 8:05 PM
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Re: God's judgment
I think not consistently applying the death penalty is another Quick question - which meaning of not consistently are you using here? Not consistently as in not all States have the death penalty/it hasn't always been used even in those States where it was on the books? Not consistently as in you have a disproportionate chance of receiving the death penalty if you are young, male and black? Something else?
Oops! Wrong Planet
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Re: God's judgment
It was an awkward way of saying some states do and some don't. And I don't care if you're purple with green polkadots, if you deserve the death penalty you deserve it. It's about the crime. And if it's being applied on the basis of racial discrimination then that's just another way the nation is out of God's favor and up for judgment. But rescinding the death penalty is not the corrective for that sin.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 75 of 229 (332071)
07-15-2006 8:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
07-15-2006 8:05 PM
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Re: God's judgment
Any time the nation legalizes what God calls a sin we are in trouble. Evil, abominable shrimp-eatin' Americans! And legally, too!
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