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Author Topic:   What are the Degrees of Fundamentalism?
riVeRraT
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Message 226 of 229 (334476)
07-23-2006 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by sidelined
07-21-2006 10:31 AM


Re: God's judgment
However, Iwould ask that the next event you claim to have insight on be something that you post to us here that we might actually have something pre event to verify that what you are saying is correct.
I will. I am praying for it.
But I garauntee that it will be turned around and made false, no matter what I say.
If the man needs you to correct him on issues that he claims to be expert in then how does he make the error he did?
His advicer mis-led him. It was by his own "expertise" that he made a mistake. He is a man desperate for God, as is many others. He is also a man desperate for integrety.
To know God, or to hear from is only by your integrety, and that is the focus of the Art of Hearing God 101, which I took BTW. An excellent course. I quote from him "If the orbs are not of God, then I need to not speak on it anymore".
The orbs is a complicated subject, and it didn't happen as easily as you rthink. There were other photograph's that had no explanations, and people did see with their eyes. They were confusing all the photos together.
I will go out on a limb here and prophesy that either you cannot {for any number of reasons} or the periodical he did the claiming in is post Katrina and therefore invalid.
Yes, you are out on a limb, come back to the tree.

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Faith 
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Message 227 of 229 (334482)
07-23-2006 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by ramoss
07-18-2006 2:50 PM


Re: throw back to the Dark ages.
This is one case where not understanding the hebrew can show errors in thinking.
THe term 'Evil' in Isaiah 45:7 is the exact term that is used in Genesis for the 'tree of knowledge of good and evil'.
Again, your interpretation is reading into the words, rather than reading the words that are written.
You appear not to know very much about Hebrew after all:
Various recent translations have the idea of calamity, and it's obvious enough from the parallel structure of the sentence. It is disaster, not sin, that is the obvious contrast with "peace," "wellbeing" or "prosperity."
NLT-Isa 45:7- I am the one who creates the light and makes the darkness. I am the one who sends good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things.
NKJV-Isa 45:7- I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.'
NIV-Isa 45:7- I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.
NASB-Isa 45:7- The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.
RSV-Isa 45:7- I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD, who do all these things.
Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible
And the Hebrew certainly backs it up:
Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible
ra` {rah}
from 07489
1) bad, evil
a) bad, disagreeable, malignant
b) bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
c) evil, displeasing
d) bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)
e) bad (of value)
f) worse than, worst (comparison)
g) sad, unhappy
h) evil (hurtful)
i) bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
j) bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
2) evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity
a) evil, distress, adversity
b) evil, injury, wrong
c) evil (ethical)
3) evil, misery, distress, injury
a) evil, misery, distress
b) evil, injury, wrong
c) evil (ethical)
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ramoss
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Message 228 of 229 (334518)
07-23-2006 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Faith
07-23-2006 9:59 AM


Re: throw back to the Dark ages.
Well,
It seems I know more than your 'blue letter bible' folks do. And
here is a little excerpt from http://talmida.typepad.com/...s/2005/10/god_creates_evi.html
that entirely agrees with me.
The Hebrew is very clear. God formed light and made peace, but He created the darkness and evil. It is the same verb used in Genesis when God created the world.
It goes further into the explaination of the hebrew and the various commentary if you are interested.

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Faith 
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Message 229 of 229 (334606)
07-23-2006 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by ramoss
07-23-2006 1:17 PM


Re: throw back to the Dark ages.
Some blogger you would put ahead of the many translators of the various Bible versions and the Hebrew key provided? Nonsense.
The passage itself ought to be a clue that "evil" means calamity: the parallel between light and dark, then peace and ... what, "sin?" No way. NONpeace, bad times, adversity.
Another verse the King James has "evil" for that same Hebrew word:
Amo 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done [it]?
{EDIT: I JUST REREAD YOUR BLOGGER, AND HE AGREES THAT THE HEBREW WORD FOR EVIL CAN MEAN DISTRESS OR HARM. Same as calamity, disaster, etc etc etc. And it makes no sense unless it means this in the passages quoted. So you are completely wrong.
Of course, the word for "evil" has many different interpretations. It can mean distress or harm ...
I THINK WE'RE ALSO OFF TOPIC HERE. LET'S GET BACK TO THE DEGREES OF FUNDAMENTALISM.
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