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riVeRraT
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Message 211 of 229 (333926)
07-21-2006 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Faith
07-20-2006 9:23 AM


Re: God's judgment
Are you objecting to my explaining God's role in events because you disagree that God has that role in them or because even though it's true I shouldn't be saying it?
I don't know specifically if God's role in Katrina was more than just the ground being cursed, and a natural flow of events, or if it was God's wrath being poured out on innocent people to make a point.
But I do know thta it is pointless to speak of it after the fact, because it doesn't prove your a prophet, it is using peoples fear of what is supposed to happen, and it is very condemning towards people. I see no usefulness in using it as a tool to get people to repent and believe.
If you would have posted here a onth before the storm and gave us some details of the upcoming doom, then maybe it would have more meaning, and people could then consider you a prophet.
Even the OT speaks of who is considered a prophet. Your prophecies must come true in ordered for you to be considered a prophet. So after the fact isn't helping your case.
Speak that one to yourself, since your attitude toward me leaves quite a bit to be desired.
If I was behaving in the wrong way, I would expect to be spoken to by my brothers and sisters, so that I may improve, and better spread the gospel of Jesus. Loving people isn't always that easy, and we do things to people without even realizing it. As God reveals these things to us, through scriptures, and people, we can grow in His love, and then transmit that love to others.

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riVeRraT
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Message 212 of 229 (333928)
07-21-2006 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by ramoss
07-20-2006 10:07 AM


Re: God's judgment
How many did he get right?
He is well known as being a prophet. While I don't know how many he gets right, it is close to, if not 100%.
His prediction of the hurricane wasn't for New Orleans specifically, but he did say that a hurricane was coming that was going to be much larger than any other hurricane in the past, and it would be in a few months.
Benny Hinn also predicted major natural disasters for the country, like we haven't seen before, one month before it happened.
Neither of them said that it was God's wrath, just that it was going to happen.
John Paul Jackson does it through his email letters, and Benny Hinn did it on TV.
I don't particulary care for Benny Hinn, or his ways, but I did happen to catch a show where he predicted it.
I am not really all hung up on prophecies, but I do pay attention to them, so it doesn't really require much more conversation about it. If you are interested in prophecies, and how real or fake they are, it is fairly simple research to see who is considered a prophet these days, and to read his/her publications online. Then you can judge for yourself, instead of debating second hand information about it.

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riVeRraT
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Message 213 of 229 (333933)
07-21-2006 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by jar
07-20-2006 10:54 AM


Re: God's judgment
So did many studies that streatched over several decades. Only someone who had tightly shut their eyes and ears did not know what would happen.
The prophecies were not about the levys breaking.
Because one is backed by evidence while the theist prophet is but a conman.
At one time in life, I would have greed with you with arms raised in the air, until I started recieving my own visions about events and things. I am no conman jar. I don't want $19.95 for a green miracle rag, or do the guys I am talking about.
As a matter of fact, I met John Paul Jackson once.
(long story short) He was preaching about orbs in digital pictures and claiming they were spirits from God. I am into photography as a hobby, and have researched them on my own, and have made the conclusion they weren't.
I confronted him with the information. He was decieved by a photographer from a major newspaper, and was told they were spirits from God. After I gave him the information, he stopped preaching that message. He wants to keep it as real as possible.
It is not easy being a prophet. Phonies are easily detected. Only somone that spends enough time in prayer, worshiping God, having a personal relationship with him. and has the gift, can do it.
I know that you are closed to all those ideas.

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sidelined
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Message 214 of 229 (333942)
07-21-2006 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by riVeRraT
07-21-2006 9:44 AM


Re: God's judgment
riVeRrat
At one time in life, I would have greed with you with arms raised in the air, until I started recieving my own visions about events and things. I am no conman jar. I don't want $19.95 for a green miracle rag, or do the guys I am talking about.
Good for you. Unlike John Paul Jackson {Page not found - STREAMS MINISTRIES INTERNATIONAL} you refuse to ask people for money but do it out of the goodness of your heart. However, Iwould ask that the next event you claim to have insight on be something that you post to us here that we might actually have something pre event to verify that what you are saying is correct.
He was preaching about orbs in digital pictures and claiming they were spirits from God. I am into photography as a hobby, and have researched them on my own, and have made the conclusion they weren't.
I confronted him with the information. He was decieved by a photographer from a major newspaper, and was told they were spirits from God. After I gave him the information, he stopped preaching that message. He wants to keep it as real as possible.
Now, the man is incapable of discerning that the photograph is not "spirits from God", and yet ,he teaches people people in the following
# Leadership Training CourseNew Course
# The Art Of Hearing God- Course 101
# Advanced Prophetic Ministry - Course 102
# Reaching Your Destiny in God- Course 104
# Understanding Dreams And Visions- Course 201
# Advanced Workshop In Dream Interpretation- Course 202
Page not found - STREAMS MINISTRIES INTERNATIONAL
If the man needs you to correct him on issues that he claims to be expert in then how does he make the error he did? I asked you earlier to please provide information on the periodical you read his prophecy for Katrina in and I would request this again in case you missed my post.
I will go out on a limb here and prophesy that either you cannot {for any number of reasons} or the periodical he did the claiming in is post Katrina and therefore invalid.

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NosyNed
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Message 215 of 229 (333951)
07-21-2006 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by sidelined
07-21-2006 10:31 AM


Third option on prophecy
There is, sidelined, a probable third option:
I think RR said the prophecy wasn't about the levees breaking but about a Hurricane that was bigger than any seen. However, Katrina was NOT a hurricane bigger than any seen. It was simply the long warned about Hurricane that was more than the levees had been designed for.
The prophecy will turn out to be too loose to pin down and, in fact, wrong about the actual facts.

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sidelined
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Message 216 of 229 (333953)
07-21-2006 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by NosyNed
07-21-2006 11:27 AM


Re: Third option on prophecy
NosyNed
I think RR said the prophecy wasn't about the levees breaking but about a Hurricane that was bigger than any seen.
I will not even hold it against him that he got it wrong. What seems a silly thing to prophecy about is a hurricane in the southeatern United States at all. Now if he could predict a huuricane in, say, Juno Alaska in mid winter then we would have something.

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Faith 
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Message 217 of 229 (333960)
07-21-2006 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by riVeRraT
07-21-2006 9:12 AM


Re: God's judgment
You are WAY WAY out of line. I never said I was a prophet, all I did was explain some events as God's doing, and they were because everything is. I said prophetic speaking has nothing necessarily to do with foretelling, and I did not claim to predict anything in particular. I merely received a strong leading about America coming up for God's judgment. And telling people God's hand in the event is to God's glory.
Did God cause the famine at Elijah's behest, because of Israel's apostasy? and end it the same way? Then such natural events aren't just the natural outworking of the ground's being cursed.
IF there is calamity in a city will not God have done it? That's in Amos.
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ramoss
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Message 218 of 229 (333962)
07-21-2006 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by sidelined
07-21-2006 11:35 AM


Re: Third option on prophecy
That is known as a 'blizzard'.. so I wouldn't think that was amazing at all.

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Message 219 of 229 (333966)
07-21-2006 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by riVeRraT
07-21-2006 9:18 AM


Topic!
His prediction of the hurricane wasn't for New Orleans specifically, but he did say that a hurricane was coming that was going to be much larger than any other hurricane in the past, and it would be in a few months.
Was his prophecy about Wilma, Rita or Katrina - that's the next question I suppose. Wilma was the most intense, but Katrina and Rita were pretty disasterous, they weren't the deadliest (I guess he missed Hurricane Jeanne) but they might be the most expensive.
I just posted as mod (content hidden by AdminModulous, use peek if you're curious), and realized...the topic has gone off the rails!
I assume it came from the mentioning of Katrina in the OP. The topic about the varying degrees of fundamentalism and not the credentials of prophets and the veracity of their claimed prophecies.
This subject is an old favourite if anyone wants to shoot over to PNT forum and draw up a new OP.

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Faith 
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Message 220 of 229 (333971)
07-21-2006 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by riVeRraT
07-21-2006 9:18 AM


Re: God's judgment
I don't know Jackson at all, but Benny Hinn is no prophet. He's been exposed for his false theology. I used to be a charismatic too. I prayed a LOT about the errors I was encountering in those circles and I got answers. There is false theology galore, and false spirits as well. YOU are the one who needs to do the serious self-examination, not I.
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Faith 
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Message 221 of 229 (333972)
07-21-2006 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by AdminModulous
07-21-2006 11:57 AM


Re: Topic!
Oops sorry. I'll stop the off topic posts now.

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ringo
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Message 222 of 229 (333974)
07-21-2006 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Faith
07-21-2006 12:12 PM


Re: God's judgment
Faith writes:
YOU are the one who needs to do the serious self-examination, not I.
That's probably a good degree-of-fundamentalism indicator right there:
How vehement is the you-need-to-change-but-I-don't attitude?

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MangyTiger
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Message 223 of 229 (334052)
07-21-2006 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by ramoss
07-19-2006 3:57 PM


Re: scripture ref
What have your learned?
I think we can safely say 'nothing'.

Oops! Wrong Planet

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cavediver
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Message 224 of 229 (334065)
07-21-2006 3:51 PM
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07-21-2006 12:12 PM


Re: God's judgment
but Benny Hinn is no prophet
I've found common ground with Faith
Have to agree with you there. I gagged when I saw RR mention him. I actually went to see him at The Royal Albert Hall because I had told myself he couldn't be that bad. I was very very wrong...
Back to lurking in such threads...

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Message 225 of 229 (334090)
07-21-2006 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by cavediver
07-21-2006 3:51 PM


Re: God's judgment
Amen. I shouldn't judge but if I'm right I believe that those who distort and use the Christian faith as a means to a monetary end will pay a steep price in the end.

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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