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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Why are you all making this huge moral calamity out of a man's feeling for people who are suffering????? compassion is a useful emotion for helping our fellow man. pity, especially unwanted pity, is condescending and patronizing. perhaps it was just a poor choice of words. Edited by arachnophilia, : subtitle
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
A FEELING of pity is not the same thing as SAYING to their face how you pity them. Pity has acquired a nasty meaning from those who use it to put someone down, which has in fact been done here. But that's because it's a LIE. True pity is just feeling with your fellow man.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm sorry. I just dislike sentimentality. It's phony. Sometimes it's mere inarticulateness though, not always phoniness. I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings about it. I would never say this to anyone normally. It just has to be said on a thread like this which is ABOUT such things and in which you are all beating up Robin because of his perfectly sensible feelings and arguments. Don't be sorry, please, start your club. And all of those who feel like you can get together and commiserate (according to the dictionary that means To feel or express sympathy: commiserated over their failure. Start your club and you and robin and iano can meet and weep and whine and revel in your misery. For the rest of us, I give:
Yes, by all means, do not be sorry. Start your club. The rest of us will enjoy the rescue of Tivo in the Great Storm and how two days later he was big and fluffy and ran off to join the other ground squirrels and has a burrow on the other side of the driveway and when we sit out on the porch he comes up and sits at the entrance and sometimes runs across and over our feet and how this year he brought three of the babies and taught them how to search out seed in the gardens and how when the Owls were nesting in the palm across the road he served as guardian and watch squirrel and not one of those living in his burrow became baby owl food and how wilma and karl (the Great Horned Owls that lived in the palm) had to go to a far off field to find food for their chicks and when karl and wilma taught their hatchlings to hunt they did it in the field across the road and not in Tivo's territory.
keep responding and I will tell the tale of harold and his harem. Edited by jar, : remove extra LF Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Discreet Label Member (Idle past 5094 days) Posts: 272 Joined: |
True pity is not feeling for your fellow man. True pity is putting yourself into another person's shoes and trying to experience their life and then after doing that, doing something to help your fellow man THAT is pity.
The way I feel you are using pity is more like apathy because you do nothing, you say their life is pitiful and then you proceed to do nothing.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Pity has acquired a nasty meaning from those who use it to put someone down, "sentimentality" has acquired a nasty meaning by those who use it to describe cutesy kitsch.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There's nothing sentimental and phony about rescuing animals and caring for animals. But there sure is about making ooing and ahing over baby birds into the meaning of life, and there sure is about saying that flowers are how the earth laughs. Yik. Almost ruins the beauty of flowers and the charm of baby birds. It's about proportion.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"Sentiment" is probably what you are thinking of. Most of us have quite a bit of sentimentality too, so in itself it's just a human thing. The problem is in elevating sentimental expressions to the meaning of life.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Me.too,Doc P. Let`s start a club.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Actually, Doc's remark pretty much qualifies him for Robin's and my club. In case it's just a flash in the pan, though, he'd have to undergo testing.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
True pity is not feeling for your fellow man. True pity is putting yourself into another person's shoes and trying to experience their life and then after doing that, doing something to help your fellow man THAT is pity. The way I feel you are using pity is more like apathy because you do nothing, you say their life is pitiful and then you proceed to do nothing. Good grief, man, how do you know what anybody here does to help out others? And hey, how are you so sure they'd like you to sit down and talk to them anyway, since you're into questioning everybody's reactions but your own? They might experience your conversation as a royal pain.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Some people know how to read facial expressions and body language better than others.
This objection to a feeling of pity for old men who have spent much of their lives in an institution with terrible wounds is mindboggling. I'm sure most people just pass them by, either feeling nothing or avoiding whatever they do feel, or saying something cheery and patronizing. But you all would attack a guy who felt for them. You're all nuts.
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iano Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Some people know how to read facial expressions and body language better than others. Their eyes met across the crowed room and, having met, looked away quickly - as if they had been caught doing something wrong. When she dared to look back she found him already meeting her gaze. A flush rose in her cheeks and she absentmindedly replaced a stray strand of hair that had fallen from its perch. He could only admire her graceful fingers as they worked at the coiffure in the nimble way that comes so easily to women. His heart was beating faster now and he knew that if he didn't move, his courage would foresake him and he never would. Move... "Hallo" he said, quietly "You must be very tired - seeing as you've been running through my mind all evening" "Get lost pervert!" she replied Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah well the proof IS in the pudding.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Ian, you old romantic.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Actually, I offered a seat in a crowded train to a 'woman'-replete with tatts, face stapled on, torn jeans. 'Whaddya think, I`m a cripple?' she snarled. Which made me a tad reluctant to seat-donate for the next vision from hell.
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