The boasts of atheists (Atheist self-deception)

Why don't you stop the unfounded accusatiosn of dishonesty ?If you've got a point then make it. Don't just attack people for saying things you disagree with.

By what you've said "honor" would seem to be just another "pretence". If CK claimed to be "honorable" why would that be anything more than one of those allegedly self-deceiving boasts you are complaining about ?

It seems to me that this thread is largely congratulating yourself for having a "realistic philosophy" and "being honorable" - as opposed to "dishonest" - in accepting it.But by that very "realistic philosphy" neither of these are worth anything. Which would reduce this thread to the "dishonest" "boasting" and "pretence" which you are congratulating yourself on avoiding.

But by your standard your principles aren't "good". They might at best happen to be factually correct (which is something that I have yet to see a good argument for). But according to your principles that, too, is of no value. So really all I see is that you are using your "principles" to attack others, and in doing so committing the same offence you accuse others of.

I'm aware of the definition of boasting. The point of this thread appears to be to say how other people compare unfavourably to yourself. They are "dishonest", not "honorable", they "deceive themselves" - all of which means no more than that they disagree with you. It is certainly not to argue that your ideas are right - if it were you would actually be presenting arguments instead of attacking peopel for disagreeing.

But you're not simply insinuating you are right. You are putting yourself forward as superior to others because you beleive as you do. But the worst you can point out is a few statements that may be exaggerated.But I'd say that your view is even more skewed. We are ordinary humans. We operate on the ordinary human level. Most of us will not, cannot, be one of those exceptional people who has a major effect on human history. But we can have an effect at our own level. Why is that no good ? Why not just be content with being human ?‘

Of course it's about you. Just becuase your boasting is phrased in a negative way - attacking others - doesn't make it any less boastful.

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But we can have an effect at our own level. Why is that no good ? Why not just be content with being human ?

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There's nothing wrong with it--as long as we realize it. Then we can live more authentically.

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Well then, there goes the only possible basis for your accusations of dishonesty. You'd need to show someone claiming to be more than human to back that up now.
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Constant robust enthusiasm for the wonder of life is more than human.

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Humans are bored occasionally.

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So who has claimed that they are NEVER bored ?

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Exemplary moral character is more than human, unless you're some kind of saint

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I don't think that is what is intended. I think that even if the original claim was an exaggeration, you are exaggerating it even more.,

So basically all you have is your subjective interpretation of statements that do not explicitly make any claim to be more than human.That's a very flimsy basis for claims of "self deception" and "dishonesty".

I think that you have to consider it in the context of Iano's religious beliefs. He isn't saying that he's any worse than anyone else - it's the doctrine of his Church that everyone is that bad. And admitting it is supposedly a requirement for salvation. So he's really trying to imply that he's "Saved" - and not displaying any real humility.

So not only do you make no distinction you won't even admit to a distinction. Everyone is as bad as, say, Hitler.

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It was a statement of fact and not really something about which one would display boastfullness or humility.

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And that is my point - even though you presented it as if it were an example of humility, in your mind it is not.

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If a person who breaks even the smallest piece of the law is considered to have broken all of it I fail to see much by way of distinction.

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Which is a big "if". It is an obvious injustice to consider someone guilty of an offence that they have not committed. Thus it is clearly unjust to hold that someone who has broken one part of the Law has broken all of it.But that's off-topic for this thread.

As I said it's off-topic, but your response amounts to "it doesn't mean what it says".And I don't really see the point of your other claim. A "digital" worldview which magnifies everything to infinity would seem to be inherently boastful. I know that I would consider someone to be boasting if he claimed to be infinitely evil on the basis of having once ate a single shellfish.