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Author Topic:   The boasts of atheists (Atheist self-deception)
Discreet Label
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Message 241 of 304 (330913)
07-11-2006 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by robinrohan
07-11-2006 5:31 PM


Re: Boasting
You pity them for their circumstances that had them join the military? This could be taken as spitting on their entire life past joining the military. For the military was their choice, in their situation in most cases (except for the draftees), in which case they have other reasons to be bitter.
To pity them for being unable to find another job, is to again spit upon their entire lives and the choices they had made and who are you to say that they didn't find a job? I would wonder if you even asked them?
Stony stoic face, could be just as much as a reaction to your pity as it is to their life. And i would lean more toward your pity then anything else. To be pitied by another especially someone you don't know is akin to saying your life has no value.
The way you talk i get the impression that you pity the mentally disabled for not been born with similiar mental facilities as yourself, that you are outraged when another person can find some form of happiness and take joy in their life while you are stuck in a seemingly joyless world?

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Message 242 of 304 (330914)
07-11-2006 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by jar
07-11-2006 5:45 PM


Re: wondering ...
I think at this point that it can't get any lower then it is.
At least we can look at it this way, the topic can only get better.

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CK
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Message 243 of 304 (330916)
07-11-2006 5:54 PM


What this thread is missing.....
are some of your actual boasts.
I have a good life, I enjoy my life and one day I'll be dead. Also I'm a wonderful lover.

robinrohan
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Message 244 of 304 (330917)
07-11-2006 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Discreet Label
07-11-2006 5:49 PM


Re: Boasting
You pity them for their circumstances that had them join the military? This could be taken as spitting on their entire life past joining the military. For the military was their choice, in their situation in most cases (except for the draftees), in which case they have other reasons to be bitter.
You don't seem to understand genuine human feeling. You are so wrapped up in political correctness that you don't understand that one can sympathize with a person for their suffering and yet admire their stoic courage at the same time.
I felt sorry for them. It was terrible. It was tragic.
And I admired them.

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Michael
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Message 245 of 304 (330918)
07-11-2006 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by robinrohan
07-11-2006 5:43 PM


Re: wondering ...
Is there a place to make nominations for the most inane topic of the month?
Why inane?
Because I have a topic in mind for such a nomination.

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Message 246 of 304 (330920)
07-11-2006 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by robinrohan
07-11-2006 5:54 PM


Re: Boasting
Whats pc anyways anyways?
I wonder what qualifies you to make judgement at my understanding of human feeling? Are you able to read my mind or do you understand the depth of my humanity? Do you think your own perception of human feeling is so right and proper that you are able to condemn me for my own feelings?
But you yourself had been dehuminazing these people, i say had because now you demonstrate an acceptance of their life. To say you only pitied them as you did was increasingly demeaning. Of course pity is all you expressed, so how was I to know, or anyone else for that manner, that you admired them for their life?

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robinrohan
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Message 247 of 304 (330928)
07-11-2006 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Discreet Label
07-11-2006 6:03 PM


Re: Boasting
I wonder what qualifies you to make judgement at my understanding of human feeling? Are you able to read my mind or do you understand the depth of my humanity? Do you think your own perception of human feeling is so right and proper that you are able to condemn me for my own feelings?
Your comments and questions were obtuse.
Sympathy or pity does not imply condescension.

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Message 248 of 304 (330932)
07-11-2006 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by robinrohan
07-11-2006 6:47 PM


Re: Boasting
I'm flattered by you calling me obtuse, one would wonder what form of teacher calls a student of learning obtuse? For dumb questions do not exist eh? Perhaps inappropriate questions or otherwise, but for you to assume that I have ultimate knowledge of how you would think... well one may say that this belief implies a most disturbing arrogance as it implicity points to a simplicity and directness in thought and action that is demonstratably not present. For if simplicity and directness were present, I would think clarity would not need to be asked for by readers nor demanded by you when another misinterprets you.
Perhaps you might be better served, in terms of others representing you and understanding you, if you were to better explain yourself. Instead of speaking in short, vague and dismissive responses?

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iano
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Message 249 of 304 (330953)
07-11-2006 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by robinrohan
07-11-2006 6:47 PM


Re: Boasting
Could I speculate on the underlying (and I speculate) revulsion you felt on seeing amputated old soldiers, about whose post-war life you're experience of this world allows you (within a reasonable margin of error) to cast some glass-half-empty assumptions?
Would it be so, that the worth you sense is inherent in human beings, but which is wasted so appallingly blatantly in so many ways, was brought into sharp focus on such a visit. That these vets simply underscored a wastefulness that you find apparent all around you: in work, in the mall, in your own life. That we have such inherent potential and it is spilled so uselessly. The cry "we won" seems so hollow.
That some Vietcong dropped a mortar round into the tube for whatever the geopolitical reason was then - and with such stupendously significant consequences, for so long a time, in the life of something so apparently significant.
If you agree, it would point to a fundamental acknowledgement as to our significance - although not pointing from whence that significance came. That is a different issue.
That others see glory and honour and worth in this might well be a glass-half-full way of viewing the same thing. There is no compelling argument for either view it seems to me. A person must decide what seems true for themselves

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robinrohan
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Message 250 of 304 (330970)
07-11-2006 10:45 PM
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07-11-2006 8:50 PM


Re: Boasting
That some Vietcong dropped a mortar round into the tube for whatever the geopolitical reason was then - and with such stupendously significant consequences, for so long a time, in the life of something so apparently significant
It's not a political issue for me, iano.
I just saw on those faces the suffering of life in general.
And I was amazed that no one could understand what I was talking about.
The whole history of grief was written on those faces.

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robinrohan
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Message 251 of 304 (330971)
07-11-2006 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Discreet Label
07-11-2006 6:58 PM


Re: Boasting
I'm flattered by you calling me obtuse, one would wonder what form of teacher calls a student of learning obtuse?
Your assumptions were despicable. Where did you pick this garbage up anyway--that if somebody feels sorry for someone who lost a limb, that they are "dehumanizing" them? What is this?
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 252 of 304 (330972)
07-11-2006 11:00 PM


The wonder of life

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 253 of 304 (330973)
07-11-2006 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by robinrohan
07-11-2006 10:48 PM


Re: Boasting
Robin could you please describe the assumptions that you feel I am making? I am open to retracting all I have said if you feel that the listed assumptions were made in error, as of right now I am very uncertain which assumptions you feel are despicable so I can't actually examine them.

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robinrohan
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Message 254 of 304 (330974)
07-11-2006 11:06 PM
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07-11-2006 11:02 PM


Re: Boasting
Robin could you please describe the assumptions that you feel I am making? I am open to retracting all I have said if you feel that the listed assumptions were made in error, as of right now I am very uncertain which assumptions you feel are despicable so I can't actually examine them.
You are talking about me spitting on the lives of these soldiers because I felt sorry for them? You are talking about me "dehumanizing" these soldiers because I felt for them? Because I saw suffering in their eyes?
How dare you.
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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Message 255 of 304 (330975)
07-11-2006 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by robinrohan
07-11-2006 11:06 PM


Re: Boasting
Absolutely crazy, I agree. Completely upside down and backwards to call feeling sorry for someone in pain "dehumanizing" or "spitting on them" or "boasting" -- but it's all of a piece with this odd idea that calling oneself morally exemplary and the greatest friend who ever lived NOT boasting. Truly wonderland around here. I'm not offended by it as you seem to be, but boasting it certainly is.

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