Why is Israel getting away with these atrocities?

Oh good grief. No! Comparing an ideology to human feelings about who is doing what to whom is bogus! Never mind. I give up. For now.

I think you've been buying some shinola from the local huckster, Buzz.What is your evidence? There are lots of muslim countries that are not anti-american (although fewer now than before the Botch Administration (invasion\crusade}. There are lots of moderate muslims that do not advocate {war\jihad} as the solution.Do we go by the countries of birth of the terrorists? How is that necessarily valid? Where they were educated (some in the US?)? So they don't have an army capable of invading Isreal, to say nothing of the USof(N)A ... so why should anyone be worried about them?As noted the 9/11 deaths -- the largest terrorist attack to date (excluding military terrorism) -- amounts to less than the deaths due to autos in one month ... accidents that are more likely to affect you or me personally than another such attack.The more we pay attention to them, and actually actively advertise their successes, the more we encourage more of the same.The ONLY way to end terrorism is to deal with the issues that cause people to become terrorists and work to disable the causes.The ONLY way to deal with terrorists is to treat them as criminals - murderers and extortionists - and work towards world wide police action to bring them individually to justiceShould I be worried about a nuclear attack? Only if the terrorists are so empowered by the media attention, enlarged by the recruitment efforts of Botch and Isreal, that they do become a real threat.Why is Osama still a threat? Because the approach of the Botch administration has given him more than it has taken away - it is a failed policy.Calling it a war on terrorism doesn't make it a war, it just wastes resources going in the wrong direction -- resources that include as many deaths of US soldiers as US citizens who died in the towers, plus THOUSANDS more injured and rendered permanently disabled.Botches "war on terror" has done more damage to the US than the terrorists did, while not accomplishing anything to stop terrorism - there's actually MORE terrorism involving US victims since the Iraq invasion than before.THAT's a success ratio to be proud of, eh?But, yeah, it's all those shadowy Imams and a vast muslim conspiracy that's at fault. Riiiight.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : typo

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What specifically are you alluding to which indicates to you that fundamentalists don't have faith in God? I assume you're referring to Biblical fundamentalists. I suggest that after this you make it clear as to what you are referring to. What has that got to do with the fundamentals we fundamentalists have posted about the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

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1. I didn't say all Muslim countries are anti-American. We all know the ones that are.
2. I didn't say all Muslims advocate war/Jihad. Don't put words in my mouth. I was alluding to the Palestinians, Iran and a few others who indoctrinate hatred in their schools, et al.
3. When we get one of our cities poisoned or nuked, maybe then you'll wake up and smell the Jihad army's coffee.

1) Buz did not say all Muslims advocate war.2) Buz did not say all Muslim countries are anti-American, though without constant diplomatic efforts they probably would be.3) As for the hatred of Israel by the *Islamic fundamentalist nations* the fact that Israel is surrounded by a gigantic block of hostile Arab/Muslim nations ought to be obvious to anyone who looks at a map. The fact that the majority of them want Israel dead ought to be clear from what their leaders have said over the decades, and the fact that Arab coalitions have many times attacked Israel since its inception as a state -- three major times, the invasion of 1948, the Six Day War of 1967, and the Yom Kippur War of 1973.Here's a little historical survey of the Arab aggressions against Israel.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

huh. i see water on one side. and egypt on another. i'm not entirely sure how hostile jordan is, either...(edit: yes, i know iran is rather hostile, and saudia arabia and iraq are not exactly friendly either... but palestine is not officially a country, and is really part of israel, according to israel. you don't get to count people within your claimed borders as "agressive neighbors," really.)Edited by arachnophilia, : edit

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In addition they have treaties with Lebanon and Syria.

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well, that's pretty much every country that actually borders israel.except palestine, which "doesn't count."

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It's a fairly well known fact that Israel initiated hostilities in the Six Day War (and I know it is also generally accepted that it was a pre-emptive strike - but that doesn't alter the fact the Arabs didn't attack first on that occassion).

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frankly, at this point, placing the blame of "he shot first!" isn't really valid. it's war, and has been for a long time. you're never going to get back to the ultimate "she started it!" the question, really, should be: what can we do now to make it better?

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I agree completely - I was just correcting Faith's claim (should have made that clear - my bad). Sadly I don't see any way it can be made better currently. The people in power on both sides aren't really interested in a fair and lasting solution.The Palestian population will continue to endure poverty, humiliation at the hands of the Israelis, collective punishment and the all the rest of it.The Israeli population will continue to endure rocket attacks, occassional suicide bombings and a perceived lack of security.It breaks my heart to see it.

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i disagree. i think they are. (well, maybe not hamas...)i just don't think they're interested in compromise. both sides know they must, but nobody wants to be anyone else's fool. yes. it's terrible. i don't really consider either side innocent.

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No.The justification being the need to demonstrate that a country which assists in a nuclear (or significant biological or chemical) attack is going to face a response in kind and on a larger scale. It may not be possible to deter a group such as Al-Quaeda but any country that has seen the consequences is unlikely to assist them in the future.

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That may well be a better way of putting it. Especially if you change it to 'the necessary (essential?) compromise'.

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i meant in general, but ok.