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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
crashfrog responds to me:
quote: Yes, but not necessarily significantly so. If the number of people who engage in high-cost methods of having children is low, the difference may not be able to overcome the standard deviation. Surrogacy is expensive. Implantation is expensive. Sperm donation isn't that expensive. Adoption isn't that expensive. But the expense is not all that great when it comes to the question of long-term financial status. Couples motivated to have a child can scrape together the $10,000 for an implantation attempt. As far as earning potential goes over the course of years, $10,000 isn't going to make that much of a difference. It's nothing to sneeze at, definitely, but it isn't the grand equalizer, either. And, of course, there's all the gay people who have children the old-fashioned way. Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Gotcha.
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6052 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
I am also a hypocrite, because I have had a vascectomy. I did this before I was saved. Well, by your logic, you shouldn't have had sex since you were saved, because that would involve "spilling of seed", and thus not have "moral purpose". Since reproductive capability and the avoidance of seed-spilling are key to giving sex moral purpose, any sex you have had since you were saved would be equivalent to homosexual sex.
I have 5 children, and cannot afford to raise anymore. My work is done here. What about all of the people, for whatever reason, cannot "afford" to raise any children? Whether it be financial, psychological, or other reasons, some people are not ready, willing, or "equipped" to have any children. Why is it okay for one person to stop at five children, and not okay for another to produce none? Many people do their "work" in other ways that do not involve child-production (many religious leaders and devotees come to mind). Perhaps it is time to rethink procreation as the root of sexual moral purpose in the eyes of God, and that making babies is doing God's work.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There are Jews in the world, there are Buddhists, there are Hindus and Mormons and then there are those that follow Mohammed -but- I've never been one of them. I am a Roman Catholic and have been since before I was born, and the one thing they say about Catholics is they'll take you as soon as you're warm. You don't have to be a six-footer. You don't have to have a great brain. You don't have to have any clothes on, you're a Catholic the moment dad came ...Because... Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great, If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate. (2x) Let the heathens spill theirs, on the dusty ground. God shall make them pay for each sperm that can't be found. Every sperm is wanted, every sperm is good. Every sperm is needed, in your neighborhood. Hindu, Taoist, Mormon, spill theirs just anywhere but God loves those who treat their semen with more care. (misc choruses) Every sperm is useful, every sperm is fine. God needs everybodies, mine, and mine, and mine. Let the pagans spill theirs on mountain hill and plain. God shall strike them down for each sperm that's spilled in vain. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6052 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
I hear ya bro, believe me they are my freinds, and we talk about this openly. Its my right to feel this way. You are absolutely correct that it's your right to feel any way you want. That doesn't mean that the way you feel is right, any more than it is right that one person discriminates against another for their religion, or the color of their skin. Also, we must have very different definitions of what it means to be a "friend". Friends accept and love each other - from what you've posted in this thread you harbor too much bigotry to allow true love and acceptance of homosexuals.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:I just got back off vacation. Alaska was beautiful!!! Anyway, I listened to a Christian speaker a few days ago and his talk made me think of this discussion. He said that natural is to do what comes naturally, but that God doesn't want us to do what comes naturally. So if Christians consider homosexuality to be unnatural, then they aren't doing what comes naturally, so homosexuality should be acceptable. Wouldn't you think? A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
a good point.
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Glordag Inactive Member |
A good point, indeed. Unless, of course, they argue that we are supposed to do everything natural. At this point, I suppose we should all go out and rape, kill, steal, run around naked, and just be savages in general.
Reminds me of how many Christians seem to view those who don't belong to a specific organized religion. As they often put it (to me, at least), "so, how do you have any morals at all if you aren't religious?".
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
As they often put it (to me, at least), "so, how do you have any morals at all if you aren't religious?". I usually just tell them something like, "well clearly, I must not have any. So if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go find a puppy, a jar of vaseline, and a slightly smaller puppy." "Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown On a backwards river the infidels shiver in the stench of belief. And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late; I'm over the rails and out of the race The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw are ringing in my ears" -Beck
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 506 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Glordag writes:
One time, in a debate at my school, it somehow came out that I was going to church every sunday even though I was an atheist. By the way, the reason the attention on me was because I was president of the student philosophy club back then. Anyhow, they asked me what was my point for going to church at all even though I was an atheist, and I told them that my parents made me promise because my parents knew I keep my promises no matter what. Reminds me of how many Christians seem to view those who don't belong to a specific organized religion. As they often put it (to me, at least), "so, how do you have any morals at all if you aren't religious?".
The christian fundies that were there were so surprised. They were like, "you keep your promises??" Unfortunately, I have to go to church every sunday until I'm 30 . That was the promise. The Laminator
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Where does God say men are not to spill or waste sperm?
A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
It's an extrapolation from the story of Onan in Genesis 38. He was told by Judah to go impregnate his dead (smitten by JHWH) brother, but instead he "spilled his seed upon the ground." So he, too, was smitten plumb to death.
The passage reads like Onan was practicing coitus interruptus and his failure to fertilize his sister-in-law was what irritated the Big Guy, but preachers of 100+ years ago claimed that any sort of spillage was smitable. (Usually, you just went blind and grew hair on your palms for whackin' it in the 1800's - getting smote had somehow become diluted.)
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
I wondered if that was the story. So really the man was punished for disobedience as opposed to spillage. Spillage was just the means by which he carried out his disobedience.
If that is it, then God didn't make any specific ruling on spillage. It's just extrapolation by men. Interesting. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Doesn't a vascectomy stop the flow of seed? So he has nothing to spill, it is blocked. Does God have a problem with "seed blockage" as opposed to "spillage"? A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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SkepticToAll Inactive Member |
quote:True! In fact even in the Catholic church the sad truth is that the molesters are GAY priests not straight priests. It is homsexuality not chastity that was the reason many boys were molested. quote:Again true. I believe they have the right to do what they want but 'special' rights? And people should have the right to call them 'fags' - its a free speech issue. quote:Naturally! quote:True, and animals generally only engage in homsexual behavior when they are in zoos and in a similarly stressfull situation (see Desmond Morris initial work on this. )
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