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Author | Topic: I want one good reason that being gay is ok | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Only in the most simplistic way of "a choice." And given that the sex drive is a biological urge, it isn't really accurate to call it a "choice." Most human beings will have sex.
Some will not have sex based on SOME of the same reasons that cause people to be gay. Some people have choosen not to have sex. There is the choice of having sex or not, then there is the choice of who it will be with, then there is the choice of why you are having sex. Either way its a choice controlled by your thoughts.We know this now from what you said, guys will choose to have gay sex, even though they don't desire it, they just want money, which by the way really freaks me out. I suppose you think this is ok?
A person can be gay and never have sex just as someone can be straight and never have sex.
Right, then that person is forced into a lifestyle that includes rejecting what they truely desire. Lets not dwell on the word lifestyle, I mean nothing bad by it.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Note, the serpent did not tell Eve to actually eat from the tree. He simply pointed out that god was lying to them regarding the consequences of eating from the tree.
Oh, you mean she got tricked. lol
If you have a priceless Mhing vase you do not wish broken, do you leave it on a low, rickety pedestal with a toddler in the room? Even if you tell the toddler, "Don't touch"? Are you really going to be surprised to hear a crash coming from the room and the vase broken? Do you really blame the toddler or do you kick yourself for putting a delicate item where an innocent baby who doesn't know any better can get at it?
If I created the the baby and wanted to give it true free will, I would do that. Without the tree, we would not have free will, we would just be robots.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Those are 3 very irresponsible statements.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You are wrong.
What do you think "not one jot or one tittle" means? Jesus was quite adamant about it: Mosaic law shall never be dissolved.
The key words in those verses are "until it is fulfilled"Once Jesus fulfilled them, they could change, and bingo they did. The parable of eye for an eye, was a direct indication that Jesus intended for the law to change after he left.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I just told rhain, but now I will tell you.
He came to fulfill the law. Once it was fulfilled it could change.The parable of eye for an eye. Jesus's 2 greatest commandments. These are examples of what he intended for change.
neither did the early gospel authors. you didn't answer my evidence for separation of jesus and god.
Be more specific.
but its obvious from the text of the bible that jesus was not just god inhabiting a body, but something else entirely.
Explain that one.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
How about you? How many marriages have you been in, gay or straight?
Just one with 5 kids. 2 are my step children. 1 is a child I had with a woman I was engaged too.Been married for 10 years now, and haven't been so happy now that I found the Lord, and my marraige hasn't been better.
Not only do they face the same challenges - division of household duities, the struggle to maintain romance and sexual interest (so I've heard - no problems there myself - rowr!), household budget concerns - by all accounts they're generally better at them, because there's one less challenge in the way - negotiating gender differences.
You just put into other words exactly what I just said.So we feel the same way then. It's that "negotiating gender challenge" thing that makes it different.
Well, they do face problems of having and raising children - but only if they decide to. None of the rest of what you say are the major problems facing a married couple, and believe me, I know.
They would never have to worry about raising children if they choose not too. Where striaght sex have to always worry that a baby might pop out. Besides I believe more straight couples have babies than gay couples.
No. When I got married, I started both a family and a legal contract. Gay couples want to start families and legal contracts. There's absolutely no difference.
Most of them don't want to start a family, (or have kids I should say)You earned that leagal contract IMo because you want to start a family.
If only that were true...
I will accept it, I may not like it, but I will accept it.
As for you, none of us give a damn about what you will or won't accept. Why would we?
You do, thats why your in here discussing with me.
Lesbians can have children, using the same medical treatments that women with infertile husbands opt for. Gay men can have children, using the same medical treatments men with infertile wives opt for.
I'm not a big fan of that either. But I accept it.
You seem to be so certain that gay people don't have kids, and that's entirely false
My best freind had lesbian parents, I know full well about it.
Jesus, RR, if you won't let gay people marry for themselves, let them do it for their children, ok?
I am not convinced that same-sex couples make better parents, than striaght couples. I am not talking about the screwd up parents here, from either gay or straight. Your a woman now, did you know that?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
because you don't choose to be gay.
Prove it.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Its like a disease.
I was really waiting for the thread to be locked, then I would never come back again. Actually, I want it to be locked, so I can start it again, and summarize everything. Then I will give my reasons for it not being ok.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
It's amazing over 400 replies, yet very few reasons were actually given.
Most of the responses have been non-sense, or not relating to the topic, or anger towards me because of the way I feel. Not very good reasons for me to think its ok.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Then obviously you have no problem with lesbian sex, since there is no "seed" involved.
Thats a good point, I will have to dwell on the answer.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
It's amazing over 400 replies, yet very few reasons were actually given. Personally, I think it's amazing that in over 400 posts, you have yet to give a reason why we should even wonder if it's okay or not. Once more, all together now: Why does homosexuality have anything to do with morality one way or the other? "Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown On a backwards river the infidels shiver in the stench of belief. And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late; I'm over the rails and out of the race The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw are ringing in my ears" -Beck
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Wait a minute, Riverrat - I hope you aren't saying you support birth control!
No, I am saying I don't.I am also a hypocrite, because I have had a vascectomy. I did this before I was saved. I have 5 children, and cannot afford to raise anymore. My work is done here. I almost feel now that I got saved, that I regret that desicion to get a vasectomy. I guess I will pay the price, and be judged by my maker. This is one of the reasons why I accept gay people, and what they do, but I do not think it is ok. I have to accept everyone the way they are, because I am no better than all of you.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I hear ya bro, believe me they are my freinds, and we talk about this openly.
Its my right to feel this way.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Oh, it was very intentional.
Glad you liked it!
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
...so I can start it again, and summarize everything You are right. It is a good idea to summarize every so often in any of the threads. But you don't have to start over with a new topic. Just do the summary right here.
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