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Brian
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Message 16 of 510 (121356)
07-02-2004 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Buzsaw
07-02-2004 10:06 PM


1.Gay men tend to molest male children far more than straights.
So straight males only molest children a little?
In reality, Christian clergymen molest more children than any other group in society, and then the church usually protects them.
2. Gays insist on special treatment and rights which go against the morm of the natural since history has been recorded.
I think they request the same rights as the rest of us.
3. Gays should understand that their lifestyle is repulsive to those who are sexually natural.
Fundamentalist Christians should understand that their lifestyle and opinions are offensive to every decent, honest, loving person, especially real Christians.
4. It is not natural to be gay. Whether one is evo or creo, the organs of the body were made for a male/female relationship.
It has to be natural, there is no other explanation for it.
5. Gay is dangerous to health as is adultery sex with multiple couples.
Eating burgers is dangerous to health.
6. Gays disrupt nations, causing all kinds of animosity, unrest and social problems.
So Jesus was gay then, thanks for clearing that up.
7. Since the beginning of history, homosexuality has been considered an un-natural and dispicable lifestyle by the public in general.
Only on your planet. The great Greek philosophers all had young boys that bathed them and relieved them.
8. Nations and cities which have been overly tolerant to gay lifestyle and public activity do not last long.
You mean like Egypt and Greece, you should really thin before you talk crap.
9. Persons who chose to live the gay lifestyle should go back in the closet where they've been since our nation was founded until the hippy sixties when we heard all the talk about them coming out of their closets. Then the trouble began and so it continues to escalate, dividing and weakening the nation.
Buz, people do not chose to live a gay lifestyle any more than you choose to live how you live.
Why do fundies detest gays so much.

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bob_gray
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Message 17 of 510 (121357)
07-02-2004 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Buzsaw
07-02-2004 10:06 PM


I don't think that there is any data to support assertions 1 - 8. Just off the top of my head I can give you this counter argument: The Roman empire was tolerant of gays and it lasted 800 years, we would be lucky to do so well.
quote:
It's when they come out demanding stuff and displaying their perverted lifestyle to normal folks that becomes disgraceful and repulsive.
Do you mean demanding things like equal treatment under the law? How disgraceful and repulsive!

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Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 510 (121360)
07-02-2004 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Brian
07-02-2004 10:29 PM


In reality, Christian clergymen molest more children than any other group in society, and then the church usually protects them.
Gay clergymen, that is. I've never ever heard of a straight male molesting a male child sexually. Of course, those who molest female children are equally as bad, but likely more of their own household whereas gays go after boys of others.
2. Gays insist on special treatment and rights which go against the morm of the natural since history has been recorded.
I think they request the same rights as the rest of us.
.....Like same sex marriage with benefits and priviledges, contrary to the natural laws of governments and individuals for eons past? Like causing children to grow up with same sex parents, also un-naturally? I don't think so.
3. Gays should understand that their lifestyle is repulsive to those who are sexually natural.
Fundamentalist Christians should understand that their lifestyle and opinions are offensive to every decent, honest, loving person, especially real Christians.
On the contrary, fundamentalist Christians are generally honest, hard working, responsible good citizens who get along in society above the average. Case in point is Bob Jones University whos graduates are highly sought after because of their high morals, honesty and integrity.
4. It is not natural to be gay. Whether one is evo or creo, the organs of the body were made for a male/female relationship.
It has to be natural, there is no other explanation for it.
This's nuts and you know it. If you can't say something sensible, why not just pass or admit it's a scientific and obvious fact. Hook up a couple of negative poles next time you want to start your car and go figure. Or next time you replace your plumbing try gooking up a couple of female unions. LOL
5. Gay is dangerous to health as is adultery sex with multiple couples.
Eating burgers is dangerous to health.
So you're agreeing, I assume. Both are dangerous to health.
6. Gays disrupt nations, causing all kinds of animosity, unrest and social problems.
So Jesus was gay then, thanks for clearing that up.
Ditto, see item four answer.
7. Since the beginning of history, homosexuality has been considered an un-natural and dispicable lifestyle by the public in general.
Only on your planet. The great Greek philosophers all had young boys that bathed them and relieved them.
Nuts again to say all did this. Only the indecent and perverted ones would do such a terrible thing and we all know it.
8. Nations and cities which have been overly tolerant to gay lifestyle and public activity do not last long.
You mean like Egypt and Greece, you should really thin before you talk crap.
I said overly tolerant. I don't think so.
9. Persons who chose to live the gay lifestyle should go back in the closet where they've been since our nation was founded until the hippy sixties when we heard all the talk about them coming out of their closets. Then the trouble began and so it continues to escalate, dividing and weakening the nation.
Buz, people do not chose to live a gay lifestyle any more than you choose to live how you live.
Nuts again. So why, for 200 years have they been fewer and the few were secret?
Why do fundies detest gays so much.
Most of the people I know who detest gay lifestyle are not Christian fundies. Besides, you're spinning. Who said I detest gays perse? That depends on how they act as I've stated.

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Buzsaw
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Message 19 of 510 (121361)
07-02-2004 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by bob_gray
07-02-2004 10:29 PM


See my responses to Brian.

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Rrhain
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Message 20 of 510 (121368)
07-02-2004 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
07-02-2004 7:52 AM


riVeRraT writes:
quote:
I believe we have clearly shown that it is against God's will for a person to have gay sex.
Incorrect.
As you agreed to, riVeRraT, I am god.
It is not against my will for a person to have gay sex.
Therefore, it is not against god's will.
So you want a reason? There's you're reason: God says gay sex is good sex.

Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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riVeRraT
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Message 21 of 510 (121372)
07-02-2004 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
07-02-2004 1:05 PM


Re: What is the question?
Almost as dumb as worrying if being gay is ok in God's eyes?
Why should I have to accept it?
I mean I do, but why should I?

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riVeRraT
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Message 22 of 510 (121375)
07-02-2004 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Rrhain
07-02-2004 11:33 PM


Yes and kings who worshipped false gods were appointed by God, if you believe in him or not.
Nice try.
psalms 82
6 "I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'
7 But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler."
Note god with a small "g" is different than God with a big "g"

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riVeRraT
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Message 23 of 510 (121376)
07-02-2004 11:44 PM


Wow, lol it didn't take long for this one to get moved.

riVeRraT
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Message 24 of 510 (121377)
07-02-2004 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Loudmouth
07-02-2004 1:07 PM


It makes me happy to smoke pot and rape women, does that make it ok?
Nope, I want a reason. A clear cut reason that being gay is ok, without comparing it to anything else.

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Rrhain
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Message 25 of 510 (121379)
07-02-2004 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by One_Charred_Wing
07-02-2004 8:17 PM


Re: I'm straight, but you're still bent
"Piss on his kidneys," B2P?
You know what they say about those who need to make a show of their masculinity and heterosexuality....
What's with the fight-or-flight response over something as innocuous as somebody whom you don't find attractive requesting a quickie? There are three little words that will always rescue you should this ever happen:
No, thank you.
And in the end, have you ever noticed that the people who are so incensed over the thought of getting hit on are almost always people you'd never hit on to begin with? Perhaps that's the reason why they're so cranky.

Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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riVeRraT
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Message 26 of 510 (121380)
07-02-2004 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Coragyps
07-02-2004 1:08 PM


I was born liking pot, does that make it ok, nope.
I will explain why this happens later in the thread.

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Rrhain
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Message 27 of 510 (121382)
07-02-2004 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by riVeRraT
07-02-2004 11:43 PM


riVeRraT responds to me:
quote:
Yes and kings who worshipped false gods were appointed by God, if you believe in him or not.
No, friend. As you agreed, I am god. Not a false god, but the actual, real god that truly exists.
I say gay sex is good sex.
Therefore, god is not against gay sex.

Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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jar
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Message 28 of 510 (121384)
07-02-2004 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Buzsaw
07-02-2004 10:06 PM


Buzz asserts:
1. Gay men tend to molest male children far more than straights.
Pure assertion unless you can back it up with a few facts.
2. Gays insist on special treatment and rights which go against the morm of the natural since history has been recorded.
What special treatment is it that Gays are asking for? If you try to bring up marriage, how can you justify descrimination against gays in something that is purely a legal contract?
3. Gays should understand that their lifestyle is repulsive to those who are sexually natural.
Heterosexuals should understand that their lifestyle is repulsive to those who are sexually natural.
4. It is not natural to be gay. Whether one is evo or creo, the organs of the body were made for a male/female relationship.
Say what?
[qs]And where is the data to support that assertion?
6. Gays disrupt nations, causing all kinds of animosity, unrest and social problems.
Theists disrupt nations, causing all kinds of animosity, unrest and social problems.
7. Since the beginning of history, homosexuality has been considered an un-natural and dispicable lifestyle by the public in general.
Not true. In Greece it was considered normal and in many societies it was considered preferable.
8. Nations and cities which have been overly tolerant to gay lifestyle and public activity do not last long.
Well, Greece lasted a long long time and Rome even longer. It might help your case if you had a few facts to support your assertions.
9. Persons who chose to live the gay lifestyle should go back in the closet where they've been since our nation was founded until the hippy sixties when we heard all the talk about them coming out of their closets. Then the trouble began and so it continues to escalate, dividing and weakening the nation.
That may well be your belief. But that is all that it is.
10. I too have over the years had a number of gay friends and constituents in the past but nearly all tended to keep it to themselves in their closets so to speak. It's when they come out demanding stuff and displaying their perverted lifestyle to normal folks that becomes disgraceful and repulsive.
Again, you might believe that it is a repulsive act, but that is just your opinion. I happen to think putting anything other than mustard and kraut on a hot dog is repulsive. But I would still let you eat a chili dog if you did so in private and did not subject the rest of us to such perversions.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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arachnophilia
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Message 29 of 510 (121387)
07-02-2004 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by riVeRraT
07-02-2004 11:43 PM


psalms 82
6 "I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'
7 But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler."
Note god with a small "g" is different than God with a big "g"
actually, no, it's not.
the word being used in psalm 82 is 'eloyhim. this is the same 'eloyhim ("God") as in genesis 1:1. a lowercase title. it is however different from Adonai ("Lord") and different from YHVH ("LORD"). but uh, no, for the purpose of translation, it's no different from "God" big g.
Nice try.

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Message 30 of 510 (121388)
07-02-2004 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by jar
07-02-2004 11:50 PM


jar asserts:
anything other than mustard and kraut on a hot dog is repulsive.
Ewwwwwww Mustard!!! disgusting, you pervert you.

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