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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3940 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
The point of my reply was in response to your comment That wasn't my comment.
Any such test applied to Obama? I don't actually care if Obama still did drugs. So like I said, if thats a deal breaker for you, so be it.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Coyote,
According to Obama's book, it was not just pot. So he freely admitted it of his own accord, volunteered the information before running for president.
I am trying to point out to you your comment about later acknowledging the incorrectness of that behavior. I see your comment as indicative of a double standard. And Mitt has YET to admit to improper behavior -- he first denied it, then dismissed it as a "prank" and continues to equivocate, adjusting his story as he goes (like he does on all his positions ... ). Did Obama intentionally hurt someone? Mitt did. Do I see a double standard? Yes, that you claim that these are comparable incidents. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Jon,
Forty years is a long time to 'still be paying for one's mistakes'? But he isn't - he hasn't had to do any "paying" yet. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Do I see a double standard? Yes, that you claim that these are comparable incidents. No, I do not claim these are comparable incidents. Schoolyard bullying in those days was good for a trip to the principal's office, and maybe detention for a few afternoons. Pot and cocaine use were then, and still are, mentioned disparagingly in many a statute book. But you condemn the former as a character flaw which must persist nearly 50 years later, while excusing the latter, which, for all we know, may have continued up to the present unless I've missed a renunciation somewhere. Yes, I see a double standard there.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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I was going to ask if you had anything to say about what Romney did, or if you were here just to toss in a tu quoque, but I noticed you did say this:
Schoolyard bullying in those days was good for a trip to the principal's office, and maybe detention for a few afternoons. Does this mean that you simply brush Romney leading a group in an assault with a potentially deadly weapon, an action he won't admit he did or genuinely apologize for, as "boys will be boys?"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4174 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
But you condemn the former as a character flaw which must persist nearly 50 years later, while excusing the latter, which, for all we know, may have continued up to the present unless I've missed a renunciation somewhere. OK... Romney no longer punches....but Obama has not said he no longer puffs....I got nothing...we are on a comedy topic right?? Maybe I have puffed too much, or not enough.... Bush wasn't no saint, at least Obama is honest. Bush admitted he drank too much, but never denied or admitted he done cocaine...he just danced around the question. I am way off topic now, sorry. "No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I think the outrage that is being expressed in this thread is related more to the fact that Romney is now the presidential candidate on the other side than the actual merits of what he did 50 years ago.
But I guess you have to excuse the foibles of your side while pointing out the foibles of the other side, no matter how ancient, eh? Meanwhile, all of these side issues are being brought up to avoid the main issue--the economy is in the dumper and the unemployment rate is way too high--and it's too late to blame it all on Bush. Meanwhile, Obama's policies have made things worse rather than better. Sounds like Alan Dershowitz's advice for defending cases: If the facts are on your side, pound the facts into the table. If the law is on your side, pound the law into the table. If neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound the table.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
The bullying incident is all over the news, so I suppose it might just as well be here.
I guess it must be the political season. The bullying incident won't change anybody's mind on whether to vote for Romney.Jesus was a liberal hippie |
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3940 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined:
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Pot and cocaine use were then, and still are, mentioned disparagingly in many a statute book. So because the American legal system is uptight about drugs that is supposed to make people feel worse about Obama's flaws?
But you condemn the former as a character flaw which must persist nearly 50 years later, while excusing the latter, which, for all we know, may have continued up to the present unless I've missed a renunciation somewhere. But Romney's flaws do persist today. His actions back then are entirely consistent with his existing positions against the rights of homosexuals. The things he DID as governor reflect that as well as the things he says today. If Obama were still doing drugs today, yea it would make him a hypocrite due to the crackdown on drugs he is focusing on in his administration. Which is why it would be inconsistent with his current views and actions. If the only thing that will appease you is for Obama to come out every once and awhile to proclaim that he still doesn't do drugs then, well, your just trolling. However, we have yet to even get Romney to admit that he actually did anything wrong at all!
Yes, I see a double standard there. Well I see someone who REALLY doesn't want to talk about the issue and thinks the best way to distract everyone is with the tired, "but Obama isn't perfect either!" argument. Leave it to conservative to desperately try to make experimenting with drugs equivalent to the violent and emotional scarring victimization of an innocent person.BUT if objects for gratitude and admiration are our desire, do they not present themselves every hour to our eyes? Do we not see a fair creation prepared to receive us the instant we are born --a world furnished to our hands, that cost us nothing? Is it we that light up the sun; that pour down the rain; and fill the earth with abundance? Whether we sleep or wake, the vast machinery of the universe still goes on. Are these things, and the blessings they indicate in future, nothing to, us? Can our gross feelings be excited by no other subjects than tragedy and suicide? Or is the gloomy pride of man become so intolerable, that nothing can flatter it but a sacrifice of the Creator? --Thomas Paine
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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Coyote - did Obama ever beat up anyone to get his cocaine?
Get real. You have easily the most curious combination of viewpoints in this forum! I am glad you are here, but only as a worthy adversary. Best wishes, friend!- xongsmith, 5.7d
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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hi.
it was a jokette...a reference to the dog on top of the car. the kid Romney bullied had a shock of blonde hair across his eye, looking so gay, that it just made Mittens go kittens.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Well, if it is indicative of his character now, then it's significant, and if it isn't then it isn't. And the way to find that out is to look at his character now, which is what we were planning to do anyway.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Meanwhile, all of these side issues are being brought up to avoid the main issue--the economy is in the dumper and the unemployment rate is way too high--and it's too late to blame it all on Bush. No it isn't. Really, at what point in the progress of a fire does it become too late to blame it on the arsonist?
Meanwhile, Obama's policies have made things worse rather than better. But this is plainly not true because things are in fact better. You may wish to fantasize that if McCain had been President things would be even ... uh ... betterer ... knock yourself out, there's no law against wishful thinking. But you can't say that Obama's made things worse, because things are not in fact worse. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hi Coyote,
Yes, I see a double standard there. If find it curious that you do not see a distinct difference between a person who freely admits to a certain behavior, without pressure ... ... and a person who first denies, then dismisses as a prank which he doesn't remember, after being exposed by several witnesses ... ... between a person who acknowledges bad behavior and that he has changed (heck he even gave up cigarettes eh) ... ... and someone who ... I have said should show that he has changed behavior.
Message 34 me: Personally I think the onus is on Romney to show that he has reformed, that there was a turning point that he can point to where he realized that the behavior was wrong. Curiously, you pointed out that Obama did this in his book, but have not shown that Romney has even begun to discuss this with the seriousness that it should require, especially today when bullying is beginning to see much long needed attention. Yes your standard is doubled. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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subbie Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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So when asked if you want to address the actual topic of this thread, you pile red herrings on top of your tu quoque. I guess that answers my question.
I think the outrage that is being expressed in this thread is related more to the fact that Romney is now the presidential candidate on the other side than the actual merits of what he did 50 years ago. It isn't, but we all know that reality never colors your political thinking anyway, do don't let that stop you now.
But I guess you have to excuse the foibles of your side while pointing out the foibles of the other side, no matter how ancient, eh? Either that or we don't think something like a little drug use is a foible. But again, that would be reality interfering with your fantasy life.
Meanwhile, all of these side issues are being brought up to avoid the main issue... Oh, you mean like you trotting out Obama's drug use to try to divert attention from a felonious assault by Romney, for which he was not punished in the least amount?Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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