Claims of God Being Omnipotent in the Bible

jar writes:Do Biblical literalists ever read the Bible?

Brian writes:I think that they read the Bible, but they do not think about the words for themselves. They appear to accept what they have been told references mean rather than deciding for themselves.

NIV writes:2 Tim 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

jar writes:But perhaps it is simply that they do not understand what literal means?

sidelined writes:The question is not one of arrogance but of wherther you have an understanding of the full spectrum of ways in which you may decieve yourself.

This is what I see as the essential difference in liberal and conservative Christianity. One group desperately needs the literal words of the bible in order to justify its faith while the other does not.

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sidelined writes:I only say that it is not a reality because it is not universally applicable.

sidelined writes:Perhaps it emotionally satisfying. Perhaps it fillls a void caused by the normal process of living.Perhaps it fills a social need.Fall into it, embrace it.It is your life to do with as you please.

berberry writes:What I'm trying to do is point out that your logic of "Holy Spirit + Word of God = Good and Trustworthy" is flawed.

sidelined writes:Perhaps we should track them down and see what they have learned to see if there are gaps in their knowledge as is often shown to be the case on this forum.

sidelined writes:This supports my argument that it is necessary to have exposure to the bible before the belief comes to bear.A real living entity as you describe would have no need of such.

sidelined writes:The difficulty lies not in convincing me of claims-- it is in convincing me that the claims are free from bias and self referential sublties of human error.

sidelined writes: I rejected that long ago on grounds that such not only could not be the case in reality but even in the context of devils advocate the means by which the gift is given {Christ and the cross} has made me choose otherwise.

Deut 13:1-4= If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Ezek 13:1-4
The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: 'Hear the word of the LORD! This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!

Brian writes:God tells lies to test Israel.

message bible writes:Deuteronomy 13
1When a prophet or visionary gets up in your community and gives out a miracle-sign or wonder, 2and the miracle-sign or wonder that he gave out happens and he says, "Let's follow other gods" (these are gods you know nothing about), "let's worship them," 3don't pay any attention to what that prophet or visionary says. GOD, your God, is testing you to find out if you totally love him with everything you have in you. 4You are to follow only GOD, your God, hold him in deep reverence, keep his commandments, listen obediently to what he says, serve him--hold on to him for dear life!
5And that prophet or visionary must be put to death. He has urged mutiny against GOD, your God, who rescued you from Egypt, who redeemed you from a world of slavery and put you on the road on which GOD, your God, has commanded you to walk.

Really, how do you support this Biblically? Humans are born into sin, children are humans. Where does it say that ignorance is a get out of jail free card. Further, what makes you think that most children in third world countries have never heard of Jesus?

NIV writes:2 Peter 3:8-9= The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Arachnophilia writes:by logic. no amount of evidence will ever prove anything, just make it really stupid to think anything else. logically, to die, Jesus has to be mortal. to be mortal, he has to be a man. as a man, he's held to the law. if he breaks the law, it defeats the entire point of your theology.

Questioning and using critical thinking i.e. reason has nothing to do with having a low intellect, as you call it. It is part of the method we use to determine truth from falsehood.