Hello JRTjr,
Dear Greyseal,
Thank you once again for your comments on my postings.
Greyseal writes:
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot we're living in a world where differing memories of a single event can all be true at the same time despite being different. My mind won't doublethink like that, and though it may seem double plus ungood to you, I'm sorry.
* There are four different stories of the same simultaneous event.
* The bible is accurate, always
* Therefore one of these two statements is untrue.
O.K., So, if I understand you correctly, you’re saying that four people, seeing the same event, must say
exactly the same things , must give
exactly the same details about the event, or they are automatically in contradiction with each other?
Contradiction:
—noun
1. The act of contradicting; gainsaying or opposition.
2. Assertion of the contrary or opposite; denial.
3. A statement or proposition that contradicts or denies another or itself and is logically incongruous.
4. Direct opposition between things compared; inconsistency.
5. A contradictory act, fact, etc.{Dictionary.com}
Greyseal writes:
If the bible itself cannot be relied upon when talking about the accuracy of the bible, what use is it?
No use at all. Not
for instruction, for reproof and conviction of sin, not
for correction of error and discipline in obedience, [and] not
for training in righteousness (in holy living, in conformity to God's will in thought, purpose, and action) {paraphrased from 2 Timothy 3:16 Amplified Bible}
In other words, if you come across something that the Bible says is a
fact and it can be
proven wrong then the Bible is good for
nothing at all.
The problem I have is that no one has proven (
or even given decent evidence) that what the Bible says is
true is
in fact faults. Many have said that the Bible says something and that that is faults; however, when you take a logical, systematic look at what they are saying, time after time, it turns out that either:
a. The Bible did not actually say what they said it said.
b. The two seemingly contradictory things did not actually contradict
c. What they said did not make any cense at all.
Greyseal writes:
the four differing accounts of the resurrection (for example) aren't internally consistent, historically we cannot even be sure happened
I could write whole books about this, However (thank the Lord) others have. Please read ‘
The Case for Christ’ by Lee Strobel.
JRTjr, it seems like you're
not getting something.
ALL FOUR OF THE GOSPELS HAVE CONTRADICTIONS, ESPECIALLY CONCERNING THE RESURRECTION!!!
For example, Mathew and Mark say:
Matthew 28:5-7, Mark 16:5-7
"And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him."
"And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you."
In other words, first thing after resurrection, they all met up in Galilee. Ok.
However, John and Acts beg to differ:
Luke 24:33-36,49, Acts 1:4
"And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.... And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.... And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high."
"And, being assembled together with them, [Jesus] commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me."
Hmmm... sounds like he went to Jerusalem instead...
Any alarms going off JRTjr? I can post inconsistencies and contradictions like this all day.
You say that if one piece of the bible is inaccurate, then the whole thing is crap? Look back at my quotes. Obviously it can't be "allegorical:" either he went to Galilee or he went to Jerusalem. You can't have both.
(If you want, I can post the inconsistencies of other things, such as who saw him first: was it Mary #1, Mary #2, Luke, John, etc., etc....)
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