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Topic: Claims of God Being Omnipotent in the Bible
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 333 of 381 (738901)
10-17-2014 12:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 331 by Phat
10-16-2014 4:46 PM
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Re: Unable to meet God due to detached observer status
Phat writes: Would anyone ever be able to become a believer (getting saved, meeting God, etc) if they disciplined themselves to stick to critical thinking or would they forever remain uncommitted...only exploring new evidence as it became available?
Faith is the evidence of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1). Things that are seen still trump things that are not seen. You can't really be a sincere believer if you don't look.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 337 of 381 (738950)
10-18-2014 12:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 336 by Phat
10-17-2014 3:49 PM
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Re: Unable to meet God due to detached observer status
Phat writes: But is it true that we humans by nature don't want a God?
Aren't you the one who keeps saying we're resistant to the will of God? I think the story of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is an explanation of why we are that way. Where else in the Bible is that not acknowledged as fact?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 348 of 381 (739014)
10-19-2014 2:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 338 by Phat
10-19-2014 1:47 AM
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Re: Unable to meet God due to detached observer status
Phat writes: Even adults whose parents are still living go to them for advice, encouragement and feedback.
Sure, but they don't "obey" their parents. They learned their values from their parents but they make their own decisions.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 355 of 381 (739280)
10-22-2014 12:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 353 by Phat
10-22-2014 9:14 AM
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Re: Unable to meet God due to detached observer status
Phat writes: We are charged to correct ourselves and try and do our best, but it is unclear what it means to be in communion with God....
It is indeed unclear because, as I have pointed out to you repeatedly, those who claim to be in communion with God often do a poorer job of correcting themselves than those who are not. What's the point of the communion if His advice doesn't take hold?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 357 of 381 (739320)
10-22-2014 4:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 356 by Phat
10-22-2014 4:08 PM
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Re: Unable to meet God due to detached observer status
Phat writes: You can lead a church to (Living) Water but you can't make them drink.
Good one.  But then what's the point of leading them?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 362 of 381 (739369)
10-23-2014 12:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 358 by Phat
10-22-2014 4:41 PM
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Re: Many Are Cold And Few Are Frozen
Phat writes: God foreknew that Lucifer would rebel, but He never made him rebel. A leader may suspect that most of the people in his step study class wont listen to him, but he is charged to try and do his best anyway.
So God is a failure as a leader? He's a General who orders his troops over the top and only a handful of them go? Even human leaders are more inspiring than that.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 364 of 381 (739382)
10-23-2014 2:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 363 by Phat
10-23-2014 1:46 PM
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Re: Many Are Cold And Few Are Frozen
Phat writes: Human leaders inspire humans to do human things, like fighting for the freedom of capitalist exploitation so that their kids can inherit the family business.
You're beginning to sound like me. 
Phat writes: Jesus is a leader who tells everyone under His charge that they don't have to deny themselves if they don't have a heart for it. He even lets everyone know beforehand that only a minority of them will graduate training.
That's just it though. The ones who choose not to go over the top get shot for cowardice. That isn't a free choice.
Phat writes: You people seem to assume that there is a better outfit to become involved with...one that has no leaders, mass consensus, and individual liberty rather than groupthink.
It's funny how Christians (American Christians anyway) espouse individualism here on earth but reject it for eternity.
Phat writes: I hardly call that autocratic.
I'm not convinced you can separate omnipotence from autocracy.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 368 of 381 (739489)
10-24-2014 12:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 365 by Phat
10-24-2014 2:17 AM
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Re: Many Are Cold And Few Are Frozen
Phat writes: "We wage war not against flesh & blood but against principalities,powers, and wickedness in high places!"
Have you forgotten who created those principalities and powers? God is on both sides, just ike He was in World War One. Maybe He's only in it for the carnage. He ought to know as well as we do that in war nobody wins.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 370 of 381 (820613)
09-24-2017 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 369 by Phat
09-23-2017 2:54 PM
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Re: Many Are Cold And Few Are Frozen
Phat writes: ringo writes: God is on both sides, just like He was in World War One.
I think you have Him confused with The Rothschilds!
Read your history. Gott mit uns.
Phat writes: The only way to allow free will was to allow a war (spiritually)...
There's no such thing as "free will" - not when the only "choices" are slavery or torture.
Phat writes: ... otherwise he would have created perfect creatures with no ability to rebel and no opportunity to learn.
Why do you conflate learning with rebellion?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 669 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 379 of 381 (820689)
09-25-2017 11:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 371 by Phat
09-24-2017 3:49 PM
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Re: Many Are Cold And Few Are Frozen
Phat writes: Believers by and large want an authority in their lives and/or believe that they need one. Unbelievers seem to by and large think that autonomy is life's greatest gift.
Unbelievers just don't believe there is a "higher authority". Some of them may wish there was.
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