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Cobra_snake
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Message 1 of 43 (2368)
01-17-2002 11:16 PM


First of all I'd like to apologize if I am posting this topic in the wrong forum.
My name is Kyle and I am 15 years old. I have recently become very interested in the Creation-Evolution topic, and I enjoy debating. Please do not disregard my comments because of my age, but if I say something foolish feel free to correct me. I have done some reasonable study on this topic including reading alot of information off of talkorigins.com
I am currently a young-earth Creationist. I do not go to any church, but I do try to read the bible periodically.
Thank you everyone.
[This message has been edited by Percipient, 01-18-2002]

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Cobra_snake
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Message 4 of 43 (2384)
01-18-2002 10:26 AM


Truth be told, the main reason I am a young-earth creationist is because that is what my parents taught me. I have looked at many of the facts and I am still unconvinced that natural processes alone could account for everything in this world.
However, I am beggining to think that old-earth may be more realistic. I am heavily researching the carbon dating process, and if I can't find any significant flaw in that process, I will likely change to an old-earth Creationist.
I hope I can be a good contribution to the intelligent debate in this forum.

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Cobra_snake
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Message 9 of 43 (2399)
01-18-2002 11:18 AM


Allright.
I've already posted one topic but I'll make sure to look at the archives before posting more.

Cobra_snake
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Message 13 of 43 (2408)
01-18-2002 1:02 PM


Thanks again for your support. I'm sure most of you will be hating me later.
I tend to think I'm not a nerd either, TrueCreation. I am on the football and basketball team, and I have a good group of friends. I go to a class C school.
I think I should join a church or at least a youth group. I am going next Wednesday to a youth group. My friend has offered to give me a ride there every week, so I think I will try to become a regular member of the group.

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Cobra_snake
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Message 17 of 43 (2471)
01-19-2002 11:44 AM


I am very familiar with the concept that Creation science is not science at all. However, I think this statement is hypocritical. I think evolution scientists are biased to their theory in the same way Creation scientists are.

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Cobra_snake
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Message 21 of 43 (2521)
01-20-2002 11:46 AM


I think we should spend less time arguing which scientists are more "scientific" and more time arguing the different viewpoints of the scientists. After all, if creation scientists are correct, it won't matter how "scientific" they were during life when we are all facing judgement from God.
Do you seriously think that no evolution scientists hold a priori?

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Cobra_snake
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Message 34 of 43 (2719)
01-24-2002 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cobra_snake
01-17-2002 11:16 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
First of all I'd like to apologize if I am posting this topic in the wrong forum.
My name is Kyle and I am 15 years old. I have recently become very interested in the Creation-Evolution topic, and I enjoy debating. Please do not disregard my comments because of my age, but if I say something foolish feel free to correct me. I have done some reasonable study on this topic including reading alot of information off of talkorigins.com
I am currently a young-earth Creationist. I do not go to any church, but I do try to read the bible periodically.
Thank you everyone.
[This message has been edited by Percipient, 01-18-2002]

Isn't it amazing how quickly an innocent topic like this can transform into a raging debate?
About the current issue:
You say creation scientists must bend facts to agree with the bible. What is to stop evolutionists to bend facts?
Many scientists already reject the idea that mutation-selection is a sufficient mechanism for evolution, yet they stand by their theory with the HOPE that facts will fill in the gaps later. Not exactly scientific....

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Cobra_snake
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Message 36 of 43 (2734)
01-24-2002 8:33 PM


Mutations, in time, occur incoherently. They are not complementary to one another, nor are they cumulative in successive generations toward a given direction. They modify what pre-exists, but they do so in disorder. [Pierre-Paul Grass (evolutionist), Evolution of Living Organisms, Academic Press, New York (1977), pp. 97, 98.]
As a generative principle, providing the raw material for natural selection, random mutation is inadequate both in scope and theoretical grounding. [Jeffrey S. Wicken (evolutionist), The generation of complexity in evolution: a thermodynamic and information-theoretical discussion. Journal of Theoretical Biology, vol. 77, April 1979, pp. 351-352.]
In the meantime, the educated public continues to believe that Darwin has provided all the relevant answers by the magic formula of random mutation plus natural selectionquite unaware of the fact that random mutations turned out to be irrelevant and natural selection a tautology. [Arthur Koestler (evolutionist), Janus: A Summing Up, Random House, New York, 1978, pp. 184-185.]
Gould stated in an article dealing with whether or not evolution could be explained by mutation-selection:
"That theory, as a general proposition, is effectively dead, despite its persistence as textbook orthodoxy."
Gould now argues that evolution takes place in large jumps (hopeful monsters). However, there is no mechanism in place to explain hopeful monsters, and the question still remains: what would a hopeful monster mate with?
By the way, don't argue with me about these statements. Don't shoot the messenger!

Cobra_snake
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Message 38 of 43 (2753)
01-25-2002 3:26 PM


Well, it's true that the main reason I am a Creationist is because of my parents. This reason isn't very convincing to anyone that I am unbiased. However, it is true and I don't see why I should tell you anything different. But even though my reasons for being a Creationist are unscientific, that doesn't mean my stance or the creationist stance is unscientific (though many of you would beg to differ).
"And why are you here on this message board? Shouldn't yo be in school. Perhaps studying science?"
Are you kidding?
School is the LAST place I would want to be in order to learn about evolution. You must understand that evolution is very poorly taught at my school. Almost all of what I know is from reading books or off of talkorigins.
"The point being that there is no other theory that works as well."
That's what we are here to debate.
P.S. In my interest I must ask you what some of the other proposed mechanisms for evolution are.

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