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Cobra_snake
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Message 1 of 43 (2368)
01-17-2002 11:16 PM


First of all I'd like to apologize if I am posting this topic in the wrong forum.
My name is Kyle and I am 15 years old. I have recently become very interested in the Creation-Evolution topic, and I enjoy debating. Please do not disregard my comments because of my age, but if I say something foolish feel free to correct me. I have done some reasonable study on this topic including reading alot of information off of talkorigins.com
I am currently a young-earth Creationist. I do not go to any church, but I do try to read the bible periodically.
Thank you everyone.
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Minnemooseus
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Message 2 of 43 (2369)
01-17-2002 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cobra_snake
01-17-2002 11:16 PM


Welcome Cobra Snake.
The "Great Debate" area isn't the place, but personally, I do think this site does need a place where the individuals on the creation side could post a brief position statement. Maybe put it in your profile signature.
I have much trouble keeping track whether:
Young earth or old earth?
7 day literalist or something else?
Inteligent design avocate or not?
Great flood or no great flood?
I think the evolution side is pretty unified, but I've put my little statement in my signature profile.
Moose
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Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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nator
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Message 3 of 43 (2379)
01-18-2002 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cobra_snake
01-17-2002 11:16 PM


Hi Kyle, and welcome.
BTW, I would suggest not giving out your first and last name on any internet discussion group or chat room. Did you notice that the town and state that you live in are also listed? It would be easy for someone to find you if they wanted to.
Now, on to the discussion...
Why are you a young Earth Creationist?
[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 01-18-2002]

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Cobra_snake
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Message 4 of 43 (2384)
01-18-2002 10:26 AM


Truth be told, the main reason I am a young-earth creationist is because that is what my parents taught me. I have looked at many of the facts and I am still unconvinced that natural processes alone could account for everything in this world.
However, I am beggining to think that old-earth may be more realistic. I am heavily researching the carbon dating process, and if I can't find any significant flaw in that process, I will likely change to an old-earth Creationist.
I hope I can be a good contribution to the intelligent debate in this forum.

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Percy
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Message 5 of 43 (2389)
01-18-2002 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Minnemooseus
01-17-2002 11:42 PM


I think it's a great idea to include Evolution/Creation position statements in the user profiles. I'm a bit busy these days, but I'll put it on the list.
As long as I'm posting let me mention that I'm busy enough that I'm stretched a little thin in my moderator role in The Great Debate forum right now. Hopefully Larry, moderator for Topical Discussion, can cover, but I knows he's busy, too. Everyone, please send me email if you have any concerns about possible guideline violations as I always check email daily.
Oh, and I could use a better Creationism glossary for the website, and I think adding a Bible dictionary is a good idea, too. If anyone knows of some good ones let me know via email.
--Percy (admin@)

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Minnemooseus
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Message 6 of 43 (2391)
01-18-2002 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Cobra_snake
01-18-2002 10:26 AM


quote:
Cobra Snake: I am heavily researching the carbon dating process, and if I can't find any significant flaw in that process, I will likely change to an old-earth Creationist.
I wouldn't recommend getting overly focused in on the carbon dating process. It is just a tiny part of the evidence in support of an old earth.
Rummage around at:
http://www.talkorigins.org/
Moose
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Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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Minnemooseus
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Message 7 of 43 (2397)
01-18-2002 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Minnemooseus
01-18-2002 10:41 AM


To Cobra Snake-
Please read through the existing messages. Much has already been covered. It is clumsy for all to start over again every time a new member shows up.
And take it easy on starting new topics, until you've read through the existing messages.
Moose
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Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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Oreopithecus
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Message 8 of 43 (2398)
01-18-2002 11:17 AM


There are many more types of dating that Carbon 14, which only works to a maximum of 50,000 years. You might also want to investigate other types of dating:
Argon/Argon
Uranium-series
Thermoluminesence
Electron Spin Luminesence
Biostratigraphy
Paleomagnetism

Cobra_snake
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Message 9 of 43 (2399)
01-18-2002 11:18 AM


Allright.
I've already posted one topic but I'll make sure to look at the archives before posting more.

TrueCreation
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Message 10 of 43 (2402)
01-18-2002 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cobra_snake
01-17-2002 11:16 PM


"First of all I'd like to apologize if I am posting this topic in the wrong forum."
--Its allrighty, I agree with shraftner, there should probley be a place where you can put up something of the nature. The Debate area would be the discussion area, ie the sciences.
"My name is Kyle and I am 15 years old. I have recently become very interested in the Creation-Evolution topic, and I enjoy debating. Please do not disregard my comments because of my age, but if I say something foolish feel free to correct me. I have done some reasonable study on this topic including reading alot of information off of talkorigins.com"
--I freely admit, welcome to it, I am also a 15 year old High School sophmore, I've been interested in the debate for a couple years, but after viewing some tapes my interest was greatly increased. I'm no nerd I'll tell you that much though
. some good research sites are answersingenesis.org, and ICR.com, go to creationism.com to get a good list. Welcome to the debate and I'll love debating and discussing. Have a question? Ask it, this is the place to discuss and debate (I more readily use the word discussion rather than the debate, as in most cases 'debate' is used as more of a reference of discussion using your own knowledge, so I think discussion is a more apporopriate word). I've read alot of talk.origins material, another well managable site is trueorigins.org, I remember when I first started reading talk.origins material, back when I was a 'baby debater' or in such a context as you could say it :\. Don't get discouraged
.
"I am currently a young-earth Creationist. I do not go to any church, but I do try to read the bible periodically."
--You should find yourself a church with a cool youth group
. Keep your head in Genesis, 99% of the debate revolves around its interperetations.
"Thank you everyone."
--And thank you for participating.
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TrueCreation
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Message 11 of 43 (2404)
01-18-2002 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Cobra_snake
01-18-2002 10:26 AM


"Truth be told, the main reason I am a young-earth creationist is because that is what my parents taught me. I have looked at many of the facts and I am still unconvinced that natural processes alone could account for everything in this world."
--I actually was never taught the creation story as it greatly relates to science. For me personally, I am absolutely convinced that the 'earth' is no more than 6-10 thousand years old, though the stars could be thousands more (I realy havent made my decision yet, I ordered the book 'starlight and time' and I've read 'God time and stephen hawking' and plan to get my hands on more to be more understanding in the feilds of cosmology and cosmogeny.
"However, I am beggining to think that old-earth may be more realistic. I am heavily researching the carbon dating process, and if I can't find any significant flaw in that process, I will likely change to an old-earth Creationist."
--Personaly in my belif it seems to myself as evolution being very unrealistic, though my knowledge and understanding of the supporting evidences seems to be very compatable with a young earth. Carbon 14 Dating being the most widely known along with Potassium/Argon. They are two of I believe 7 radiometric dating methods. I would urge you to order and read the book "Bones of Contention" another one I want to get my hands on is "Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth" the only problem is its huge and its like $50 or something.
"I hope I can be a good contribution to the intelligent debate in this forum."
--All I have to say is praise the lord for an Intelligent debate on the internet
.

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Brad McFall
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Message 12 of 43 (2406)
01-18-2002 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Cobra_snake
01-18-2002 10:26 AM


Mr. Snake,
my name is Brad McFall and my Grandfather was from South Dakota who was the first person to find the western hognose snake and the rainbow snake in Illionis who studied genetics and later taught in western NY from whom I got a very good education about snakes as a teen-ager. I started a 4-H Herpetology Club to continue my interest before I went on to Cornell when I ran into a lot of 'will' about creation and evolution that use "kids" had already discussed in the club.
As for some information about creation and evolution or young and old earth for instance, my grandfather left the farm and "simple faith" of his family for the east and a belief in evolution that my mother did not continue though she likes to think so. I have been studying it for years not just getting it taught to me and I would like to let you know that it was in the 30s when my grandfather's first wife died in child birth that while Stan wanted to 'return' "to the simple faith of (my) family" he could not being in that muddle and so reached to evolution and toxic nature of kidneys to explain the death. He later re-married and the tension of children from two blood lines continued to be perceptible to me a generation later which I used to discriminate herpetology from ornithology no matter the ichthyology but because much of c/e or e/c is so personal with me many people still do not understand the criticism experience I bring . Hope this helps and welcome aboard.

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Cobra_snake
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Message 13 of 43 (2408)
01-18-2002 1:02 PM


Thanks again for your support. I'm sure most of you will be hating me later.
I tend to think I'm not a nerd either, TrueCreation. I am on the football and basketball team, and I have a good group of friends. I go to a class C school.
I think I should join a church or at least a youth group. I am going next Wednesday to a youth group. My friend has offered to give me a ride there every week, so I think I will try to become a regular member of the group.

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joz
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Message 14 of 43 (2414)
01-18-2002 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Brad McFall
01-18-2002 12:04 PM


Wow Brad that was almost coherrent....
(apologies for any errors but the spellchecker is on the fritz...)

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TrueCreation
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Message 15 of 43 (2461)
01-19-2002 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Cobra_snake
01-18-2002 1:02 PM


"Thanks again for your support. I'm sure most of you will be hating me later."
--I doubt it
"I tend to think I'm not a nerd either, TrueCreation. I am on the football and basketball team, and I have a good group of friends. I go to a class C school."
--Amen
Just a guy with an interest.
"I think I should join a church or at least a youth group. I am going next Wednesday to a youth group. My friend has offered to give me a ride there every week, so I think I will try to become a regular member of the group."
--Yeah a youth group would be a good idea. Have fun on wednesday, mine is on Friday like today, but anyways, welcome to the Debate and happy debating
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